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How many of you here, believe in God, or just ask for help, from some higher form of life (in your head)? But don't neccesaraly believe in religion, and sometimes label your self athiest. I was just thinking about the subject on the train. Imagine if there were no powerful church, who did more evil then good. Imagine if God (or whatever you wanna call it) was just something people kept personal, and not gather in the masses to praise some holy piece of shit, called the Pope. How do you think the world would be??
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"If the rich learn how to sell the air the poor had better learn how to hold their breath"
''Religion is just a fight over who has the best imaginary friend''
The problem is that people don't "keep it personal".
If they did, things would clearly be very different. A belief in "god" would be no different than a preference for certain foods or how you set the preferences on your personal computer.
Unfortunately, as soon as someone has a "spiritual experience", they have an "itch" to tell people all about it -- and when they acquire enough followers, look out!
The fecal matter is about to make contact with the air circulating device.
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
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Aslong as they stay "just followers", I -might- have no quarrel with it...although I will be likewisely "having an itch" to harass them in return for their sheepyness.....and don't even get me STARTED about "Ram Dass"!.....
I might believe in a creator of the universe, but this spiritual mumbo-jumbo can just go to hell - As in people being "closet believerers" instead of going out and fighting imperialistic wars for their beliefs...it would've been ALL GOOD if it was so, but it ain't, so that's one of the reasons we have Communism....the ultimate ANTI-DOTE to superstitious BULLSHIT!
Are you saying you seriously believe that somebody intelligent created this joke of a universe?I might believe in a creator of the universe, but this spiritual mumbo-jumbo can just go to hell - As in people being "closet believerers" instead of going out and fighting imperialistic wars for their beliefs...it would've been ALL GOOD if it was so, but it ain't, so that's one of the reasons we have Communism....the ultimate ANTI-DOTE to superstitious BULLSHIT!
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dark angel i agree, but redstar is right its not kept personal
GOD EXISTS AND IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE IN HIM YOU WILL GO TO HELL!!!1!11!!
Not really.
If a god or gods exist, they haven't really made themselves known obviously hey. As such why believe in them?
If you as a person needs to believe in a god or a religion to get through the day, fine, but I think you are wasting your time.
"dark angel i agree, but redstar is right its not kept personal"
Not by the religious institutions, no. But by individuals who happen to believe in God, its often just kept personal. On of my best friends really believes in God, but she's never bothered me with it. Even though i sometimes make fun of her believing...i shouldnt do that anymore..
ο λαός θα πεί την τελευταία λέξη - αυτές οι νύχτες είναι του αλέξη!
Freedom without equality is privilege - Equality without freedom is a barracks
'Engels, my brother from another class,
we haz got to get fucked up on the grog, and then revolt...if the lessons of the Paris Commune has taught as such, the working class cannot lay hold of the ready made bourgeoisie alcohol, they must smash it, and get pissed on cheap methylated spirits.
holler,
marxy.'
- BCBM=AndreasBaader
It might seem a bit weird with a "creator" of the universe, kinda like a mad professor cooking with chemicals to create the Universe, but, what the hell, perhaps God was just sadistic piece of shit. As Hithchiker's guide to the Galaxy said: "Thus the universe was created. This was generally an very unpopular action that made very much people unhappy."Originally posted by NoXion@May 9 2005, 08:43 AM
Are you saying you seriously believe that somebody intelligent created this joke of a universe?I might believe in a creator of the universe, but this spiritual mumbo-jumbo can just go to hell - As in people being "closet believerers" instead of going out and fighting imperialistic wars for their beliefs...it would've been ALL GOOD if it was so, but it ain't, so that's one of the reasons we have Communism....the ultimate ANTI-DOTE to superstitious BULLSHIT!
i agree,
but until they confine it we should do it for them
True. But the state could regulate this!
Well I am a leftist I believe in god too, I also belive that any country that turns to the left as a Socialist or Comunist state should have Religious freedom, don't you think? I would like to see a church, so when I feel like reading the Bible or preach to god I could do it with nobody descriminating me or insulting me. One more thing I can't see a comunist or socialist state in Latin America with no freedom of Religion, because where people tend to suffer more they tend to believe more in something superior; God.
Well, I'm certainly sorry to hear that you subscribe to a superstitious belief. I can only urge you to study the proposition in greater depth...there are many roads to atheism and I won't presume to say in advance which one is "best for you".
I am indeed willing to grant "religious freedom" -- the freedom to keep it personal.
No church architecture, no public processions, no favorable mentions in the media, no street preaching, etc. Keep it personal and you can believe whatever you please.
You are repeating what's been said many times in this sub-forum -- that people in "third world" countries "need" religion more than people in the "west".
You and others who've said this may be right -- even if the archbishop of Buenos Aires complains bitterly of empty cathedrals.
All that I can say is that if they don't get rid of religion in public life, it will certainly come back and "bite them in the ass"...subvert any revolution that they might make, no matter what they call it.
As much as people hate me for saying it over and over again: religion really is reactionary.
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
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I respect you a lot RedStar and I also know you don't believe in God at all but I do, hopefully we can still be friends?
Sorry but I missed the devates here the Religion sub-forum, actually I believe is the second or thrid time posting here, anyway I will start paying more attention to what people writte about.
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galexy is the greatest.
How can something be created if something cant be destroyed.... You cant destroy an atom, so how can it be created. If something has a beginning then it must have an end. But what if something has no beginning, then it must have no end... <_<
I believe in a God. But its not that crazy vageful God that hates you. I believe God is the Unverise
"But we can only open the doors— we can't drag people through. I can't free them unless they want to be free— more than anything else....A person has to be willing to give up everything- -not just wealth. All the bullshit he's been taught— all society's brainwashing. You have to let go of all that to get to the other side. Most people aren't willing to do that."
-Jim Morrison
If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would
appear to man as it is, infinite. —William Blake
"No church architecture, no public processions, no favorable mentions in the media, no street preaching"
WHY :-(
Religion is a much a social, political and economic theory as for example socialism. Freedom of speech and expression should be guaranteed, dont you think?
ο λαός θα πεί την τελευταία λέξη - αυτές οι νύχτες είναι του αλέξη!
Freedom without equality is privilege - Equality without freedom is a barracks
'Engels, my brother from another class,
we haz got to get fucked up on the grog, and then revolt...if the lessons of the Paris Commune has taught as such, the working class cannot lay hold of the ready made bourgeoisie alcohol, they must smash it, and get pissed on cheap methylated spirits.
holler,
marxy.'
- BCBM=AndreasBaader
Because that's the most effective way to kill it off. When religion is denied public recognition, it starts to fade away...that's how the Christians killed off the old religions of antiquity.
It's actually much better than shooting people or putting people in prison.
No.
"Free Speech" for Reactionaries?
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
The Redstar2000 Papers
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i would hope not.
"logic - the dance of those impotent to create"
tristan tzara
"to the degree that necessity is socially dreamed, the dream becomes necessity. the spectacle is the bad dream of enchained modern society which ultimately expresses only its desire to sleep. the spectacle is the guardian of this sleep."
guy debord
No public religion? No public prayer? Why no churches?Originally posted by redstar2000+May 10 2005, 10:44 PM--> (redstar2000 @ May 10 2005, 10:44 PM)Well, I'm certainly sorry to hear that you subscribe to a superstitious belief. I can only urge you to study the proposition in greater depth...there are many roads to atheism and I won't presume to say in advance which one is "best for you".
I am indeed willing to grant "religious freedom" -- the freedom to keep it personal.
No church architecture, no public processions, no favorable mentions in the media, no street preaching, etc. Keep it personal and you can believe whatever you please.
You are repeating what's been said many times in this sub-forum -- that people in "third world" countries "need" religion more than people in the "west".
You and others who've said this may be right -- even if the archbishop of Buenos Aires complains bitterly of empty cathedrals.
All that I can say is that if they don't get rid of religion in public life, it will certainly come back and "bite them in the ass"...subvert any revolution that they might make, no matter what they call it.
As much as people hate me for saying it over and over again: religion really is reactionary.
Seriously, you claim to hate fascism, but you're views make you just as oppressive as a fascist, except in the name of "class equality." What bullshit. This shit makes me fucking sick.
Then I suggest you start buying stomach remedies by the gallon jug...because you're going to hear a lot more of it.
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
The Redstar2000 Papers
Also see this NEW SITE:@nti-dialectics
Sure you are RIGHT. Redstar is "opressing religion". OH WHAT A HORRIBLE FASCIST thing to do YEAH YEAH I GET IT ALREADY. But look back on itself SERIOUSLY, and ASK yourself: Did you ever REALLY NEED it? Have it done anything but PUT STEPS IN YOUR WAY? Why the HELL should we give religion any rights if it is like, "okay, now let's be nice to the worm that infests our groundwater, because it might kill us". BLAH. Of course people should be allowed to SAY stuff, but image the damage a true and charismatic fundamentalist convincing weak minds to wreak havoc and impose morals could do... It's more important for me, in my mind, to stop than upholding ANY GODDAMN RIGHT.....
.....FOR THEM. They are SLICK, and SLEAK mongrels who.....lure us like DEMONS....schniveling religious bastards! It's so easy to CORRUPT...to HIDE a quest for power behind it! A full-fledged religion WILL sooner or later turn into a machine of violence somewhere, if not peaceful on the exterior! WE CANNOT LET THEM STEP. It starts simple...but evolves into more than believing in an creator, but believing in a system of a God with priests getting...ah, the ever so elusive....indirect power. And no-one cares if the priests are true and just aslong as they say...."God wants" in front of what THEY want!
I believe in SOMETHING may have created this world...but I don't care enough or know enough to be anything else than agnostic!
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You're no better than a fascist, its just that your bullshit is in the name of "workers."Originally posted by redstar2000+May 19 2005, 12:13 PM--> (redstar2000 @ May 19 2005, 12:13 PM)Then I suggest you start buying stomach remedies by the gallon jug...because you're going to hear a lot more of it.
