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Geez .. Redstar2k maybe a sub-reformist anarchist puke, but he sure can tell a joke.
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Of Course .. Capitilist Lawyer proboly dosent have a cocaine addicted brother. He Just makes up stories to win converts. BTW , Capitalist Lawyer , Proseltizm is a sin. Dont Disrespect the torah.
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What exactly is wrong with obedience to authority as long as it's legitimate? Should I not be "obedient" (please define this term) to my law professor who is an authority figure. He knows more about the law than I do. Should I just disregard everything he says simply because he is an authority figure? How childish.
What exactly is wrong with authority? People need guidance and role models to look up to. We aren't born with knowledge on how to do certain things, alot of things actually. We must seek authority figures in order to acquire types of knowledge.
Please define "obedience to authority" and explain your position a little more please.
I bet you think that you know more about medicine than doctors do.
And keep the personal comments to yourself please, regarding my family. Make fun of me all you want, just keep them out of it.
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I think you're confusing knowledge and authority, in your example with your professor, do you take everything he says as the truth no matter what?
No, you consult books and other professors, just like you get a second opinion from another doctor, or 2nd opinion from another plumber on your piping or any of a miriad of other professions and their respective jobs
Redstar2000's point (correct me if I'm wrong on this RS) is that religion reinforces an attitude that you should take your law professors word as truth no matter what, to use your example
Because religion stresses that things come from "divine authority" and instills in people this attitude that authority (even secular authority) shouldn't be questioned
"god means: "my invisible best friend" Comradered
Desu?
But what if it is not legitimate?
And how do you tell?
In religious paradigms, all authorities are "legitimate" unless they oppose the particular religion in question or the whole idea of religion in general.
Both Catholic and Protestant clergy were enthusiastic supporters of Nazism; a few fussed a bit now and then, but most of them had no problem with the Third Reich.
If authority fucks you over, all religions will tell you that "it's God's Will" and you should submit to it.
Screw that! :angry:
If someone knows more about a subject than you do and you want to learn more about that subject, then it is indeed wise to shut up and listen carefully to what s/he has to say.
But if you hear something that doesn't make sense, then you have to speak up and question it. If your law professor is one that says, for example, that "human rights are a gift from God", I'd drop the course.
The man's an idiot and not to be trusted about the weather, much less the law.
If he suggests that a sexual encounter (with him) would improve your chances of a high grade in his course, I would not only decline to "obey" but I would sue the bastard and the school!
Sez who? It seems to me that whenever people bring up that kind of shit, it's because they see themselves in the role of "giving guidance".
We need LEADERS...like, er, um, ME!
When people appeal to the general principle of authority, it's usually because they have nothing else to appeal to.
You'll do what I tell you to do or else I will hurt you...badly!
It means you abandon any personal responsibility for what you do...you are "just carrying out your orders" no matter what they are. You are no longer a human with the power of reason...just a stupid machine that either works or doesn't work.
Unlikely. On occasion, I might know as much...or at least enough to be highly skeptical of what any particular doctor might say.
After all, there was a time when respected medical authorities sincerely believed that masturbation was "a cause of blindness".
Skepticism is always in order.
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
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That sounds a lot like obedience to authority.
In certain situations, yes we do. Maybe you perceive the word 'leader' differently than I do.
What's wrong with giving positive guidance to someone younger or less experienced than you?
I don't think anybody in my church supported or supports the third reich. You're practicing "guilt by association" here.
And never mind any of the atrocities committed in the name of communism. It's funny how you leftists revile Christianity for taking millions of lives over the course of SEVERAL centuries when it was YOUR ideology that took millions of lives over the course of a SINGLE century.
What if it is?
What's your alternative?
So anyway.....what's wrong with religion and spirituality if it makes people into better people? I've read countless stories of people turning their lives around due to their new discovery of God. Now what's wrong with that? So what if it's based on unsubstantiated evidence or no evidence? It gives people strength and helps them cope and achieve their goals and be better people.
That you act like a human and not a dumb machine, of course.
Duh.
Well, that's the controversy, isn't it?
I think religion makes people worse than they otherwise would be...and you disagree.
I think it makes most people into servile dummies -- machines -- or vulgar con-men and hustlers.
Utterly miserable excuses for a human being either way.
That's like saying booze "gives people strength" and "helps them cope" and "be better people".
And religion certainly has nothing to do with "achieving their goals"...it imposes a range of acceptable options which, by sheer coincidence (
Work hard, obey your political leaders, shut up and do what you're told, blah, blah, blah.
Perhaps that's your idea of a "better person".
It ain't mine. :angry:
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i went to the 'Virgin mary" stain... didnt look like shit besides bum piss to me.
It goes one for the student who refuses to submit and two for the teacher who is under-paid as shit, and three for the strikes who give young bloods life and four for the years you spent stifled inside.
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there the zinger!
cut your hair and get a job...
I am going to go out in my back yard and collect dog poo and sell it on E-bay as an image of the god Thummer. Thummer is all powerful and people will pay big money for a turd with his face in itl
seriously, these images are random. every time you look Mary is on the side of an oatmeal box. It looks like an image but it is a natural occurring thing. how many times have you looked up at the clouds and formed your own picture? this isnt to disrespect anybody, just sayin....
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And another one...
http://www.wtlv.com/news/strange/news-arti...x?storyid=40273
Too bad they didn't find out what the fight was about...an erudite theological dispute, no doubt.
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The capitalist class requires that you WORK and EARN your money and wealth. How many times do I have to tell this to you.
Please don't bring up the Walton boys.
And why is everything a capitalist conspiracy to you?
I never said "no matter what", I simply said "shut up and listen" then think. I think we're quibbling over a matter of semantics as to what we mean by "obedience to authority".
Redstar (and I could be wrong here) thinks ALL authority is wrong, no matter what...I beg to differ.
What do you want us all to do? Go to work tomorrow and shoot our bosses? You know, they are told to "work hard, obey your boss, shut up and do what you're told" by THEIR bosses. Bosses contribute to the labor process as well you know.
Go to any restaurant and you'll see.
Hmm...now there's an idea.
But could we figure out a way to get everybody to do that?
Or nearly everybody.
Something to think about, anyway.
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
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now if only i could figure out a way to make a jesus shadow puppet with my hands, i'd have ladies flocking to me.
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<u><span style=\'color:blue\'>SAVE THE WORLD-BURN CAPITALISM AND RELIGION</u></span>
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Could you answer my question instead of indulging in your fantasies about a proletariat revolution?
Is ALL authority wrong and illegitimate?
Of course not...but so much of it is both "wrong" and "illegitimate" that the burden of proof must always be on those who claim any particular authority is otherwise.
Unless the matter is entirely trivial (traffic lights, for example), the persistent tendency of any concentrated form of authority is in the direction of self-interest.
The general sends the common soldier off to die...he doesn't lead his soldiers into combat himself.
Nor has authority, in general, distinguished itself for above-average competence. We all know of plenty of examples wherein "the great leader" has led people right into the shit...so much so that now, when someone preens as a wannabe "great leader", most people in the "west" turn away in disgust.
And rightfully so! Look at the present regime in Washington -- are those fuckups competent even by capitalist standards?
What ordinary people are beginning to learn (too slowly!
That's a very important lesson...and applies far more widely than people imagine.
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
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You can call me an idiot as much as you want, but we both know I am not. I've out-debated countless commie pukes in my years here, and you would be well advised to shut your mouth less you be out-done by my logic as so many others have.
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Just for the record.
"The proletarian revolution"™
is not in any way affiliated or beknowest to authority.
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No, really, eh, listen.
It's overthrow from one authority to another, right,
but it's the PREVIOUS one, which is mildly-said,
incompetent, and the new "authority" is major parts
of the people which, in turn, was authority-less.
It's taken-"authority" to rebel (As if it's in the "job
description" to have that power?), not given.
As one person has the "authority" (in my eyes,
possibility) to be a criminal. And the real
authorities who have power need a "authority"
to be overthrown, but it's atleast one made by
the authitory-less and only lasts as long as they
are united. Surely you can see the "official"
and few authitorities is nothin' to the people's?
Arr, the power was always in their hand, they were only duped not-to-use-it
