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    The way I see it,is as a million questions with very few answers. The biggest out of place is the attitude of the military in preventing the disaster. I heard they took 45 minutes to scramble (I believe this was after the first plane hit.) not only that, but when the world trade centre was built, FAA regulations were enacted;

    !) If a plane flies within 12 miles of the building, out of normal flight path it will be warned to back off
    2) If the plane reaches 5 miles, they will threaten to shoot it down
    3) Within 3 miles the plane can legally be shot down

    None of these regulations were enacted on the day....where were the military? They have jets on standby very nearby, why didn't they scamble? why did the president take so long to be informed? Why did a plane headed to San Francisco end up in new york over an hour later, before anyone did anything?

    So many questions. So few answers. Of course an investigation would solve this, but why hasn't there been one? (yet another question)

    The trouble with conspiracy theories is that the best ones are always based enough on truth to warrant people's fears. Why shouldn't we ask these questions? I do not believe it is unpatriotic or anti-american to criticise the goverment. they were at least partly at fault through inaction and negligence, and should be held to account as such.
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    Quote: from marxistdisciple on 12:49 am on Aug. 26, 2002

    !) If a plane flies within 12 miles of the building, out of normal flight path it will be warned to back off
    2) If the plane reaches 5 miles, they will threaten to shoot it down
    3) Within 3 miles the plane can legally be shot down
    Please cite the specific reference.
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    Quote: from vodun on 11:28 pm on Aug. 24, 2002
    Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 6:47 pm on Aug. 24, 2002
    when we look at september 11th we must look at who profited most, was it osama? no, hes all hiding out and shit now and being chased and the muslims are more fucked than ever.
    Just because Osama or other muslim extremists fucked themselves doesn't mean they weren't responsible. Is that the only reasoning you use? The fact that you think the U.S. government planned the whole thing clearly shows that you're delusional, mentally disturbed, or just very simple. If you were just a tiny bit smarter, you wouldn't embarrass yourself in public. Then again, it's only "Che Lives", so who's gonna see it?
    no it means i see outside the propaganda. terrorrists usualy dont fuk themselves without gaining anything, they didnt gain anything, secondly why wouldnt the usa do it? give me one good reason.
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    And another thing.
    This "Controversial Video" (not the one in my original message) that the U$ said they couldnt release because it might conatain "secret messages" ...bullshit.... was eventually shown anyway. I think this little show they put on with the "secret messages" was just something to help aid the desire to see thses tapes first of all. And second of all, this made Osama and his croney terrorists seem like some secret spy agency with secret codes. All aiding in the suspicion of they average american citizen. It6 sorta gave them the feeling that these men were unstoppable and should be elimenated.
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    oh my god.
    thats funny.
    And i have always questoned the response of the military throughout this.
    I fwe can have planes up in the air from then until now, why couldt these planes (that are supposed to be always on standby) get up and shoot down the planes heading for the towers???
    These planes (passenger plane) were scheduled flights and had a flight path. Once these planes were off the flight path...what was said between the pilot and the base?
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    Yes, it's quite incredible that so many irregularities exist, and yet, much remains unanswered. The best thing is, we will probably never know...

    And Vodun, stop being Mr. SmartyPants and go look up some civil aviation websites or something...Citing references is up to individual preference, if you are so curious, you'd best check it out yourself.
    The prolonged barrage engulfed Zero-One in the glow of a thousand suns. But unlike their former masters with their delicate flesh, the machines had little to fear of the bombs' radiation and heat. Thus did Zero-One's troops advance outwards in every direction. And one after another, mankind surrendered its territories. So the leaders of men conceived of their most desperate strategy yet. A final solution: the destruction of the sky.
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    This Osama thing reminds me of a photo that the soviets did in the end of WWII claiming to be the bodie of hitler dead, the photo was fake, and its intention was to rise the troops morale, and i think that after the video with osama saying that he planed the whole thing many people that knew that lakguage said that he wasnt sayng that!
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    Quote: from suffianr on 6:58 pm on Aug. 27, 2002
    Yes, it's quite incredible that so many irregularities exist, and yet, much remains unanswered. The best thing is, we will probably never know...

    And Vodun, stop being Mr. SmartyPants and go look up some civil aviation websites or something...Citing references is up to individual preference, if you are so curious, you'd best check it out yourself.
    Individual preference? How about "I don't have a reference so I made some dumb shit up?" If he has a reference, why doesn't he cite it? Um, because he doesn't HAVE one. I know much more about civil and military aviation than any of the teenagers on this site. Thanks anyway.
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    Vodun is right. If you're gonna quote statistics, cite your source, or else your information is gonna be questionable. Sure its a matter of personal preference, but if you don't cite your source, than anyone looking at your info doesn't have to take it as fact.
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    Sure, it's pretty simple. If I make a statement that involves facts and figures, it's entirely up to me provide the source. I don't HAVE to do anything here, this is a forum, not my college assignment. It doesn't have to be spick and span MLA/APA format, Times New Roman, 12 pt. In the event that I do not disclose a source, well, it only serves to discredit or devalue my opinions. It won't affect you or the weakness or strengths of your arguments, so, why are you so hung up on this, Vodun?

    By the way:

    "I know much more about civil and military aviation than any of the teenagers on this site"

    So, buddy, what's YOUR source?
    The prolonged barrage engulfed Zero-One in the glow of a thousand suns. But unlike their former masters with their delicate flesh, the machines had little to fear of the bombs' radiation and heat. Thus did Zero-One's troops advance outwards in every direction. And one after another, mankind surrendered its territories. So the leaders of men conceived of their most desperate strategy yet. A final solution: the destruction of the sky.
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    NO its all lie Osama dint planed the 11-6 since he is the real USA president!

    hehehehehehehe
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    ups.................
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    Quote: from suffianr on 3:53 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
    Sure, it's pretty simple. If I make a statement that involves facts and figures, it's entirely up to me provide the source. I don't HAVE to do anything here, this is a forum, not my college assignment. It doesn't have to be spick and span MLA/APA format, Times New Roman, 12 pt. In the event that I do not disclose a source, well, it only serves to discredit or devalue my opinions. It won't affect you or the weakness or strengths of your arguments, so, why are you so hung up on this, Vodun?

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    "I know much more about civil and military aviation than any of the teenagers on this site"

    So, buddy, what's YOUR source?
    Not hung up - just pointing out that you had the opportunity, with your argument, to provide actual evidence. Not an opinion or theory, but actual black and white print. You chose not to, I suspect, because you don't have the reference. But I'm not losing sleep. I was just interested because I'm in the aviation field, and thought I might learn something. Bad on me for coming here to learn, though. Your source?
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    Quote: from vodun on 3:13 am on Aug. 29, 2002

    but actual black and white print.
    what's your source on this?....
    Its really more of grey and white....
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