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  1. 2nd April 2005, 20:30 #1
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    Well it seem that Pope Johny-Paul is finally dead and I just wondered what everyone's thoughts were.

    As one of the millions of 'disordered' homosexuals that the Pope felt necessary to insult I can't say that I'll miss him too much. He was an a$$hole in many ways especially when we consider his stance on contraception, abortion and euthanasia.

    So now let us take time to enjoy this Pope-free world we're currently living in because in a little while the countdown to election of the next extreme religious nutter shall start....

    No Pope over here

    No Pope over there

    No Pope anywhere
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    Lol.
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    You know that they&#39;re like, totally gonna go get a new one, right?
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    This is uncalled for. I&#39;m so sick of people here releshing in someone&#39;s death.

    Sure he had views that many of us find to be wrong and offensive...but still...you shouldn&#39;t be happy that someone died. People are still people, regardless of their actions.

    Of course that is just the pacifist/buddhist in me talking....
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    We are bad people. We love it when significant opponents of ours die.
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    You know that they&#39;re like, totally gonna go get a new one, right?
    Yes I know I&#39;m hoping it&#39;s going to be like a reality TV show or a Californian election...

    I&#39;d vote for Arnie purely because we&#39;ll know he fondles breasts before he even gets the job

    This is uncalled for. I&#39;m so sick of people here releshing in someone&#39;s death.

    Sure he had views that many of us find to be wrong and offensive...but still...you shouldn&#39;t be happy that someone died. People are still people, regardless of their actions.

    Of course that is just the pacifist/buddhist in me talking....
    I&#39;m not releshing his death, rather I&#39;m enjoying the fact he&#39;s no longer alive. There is a difference even if it is subtle.

    I didn&#39;t pray for him to die, nor did I pray for him to live. He died, and I&#39;m not unhappy about it. His views were notoriously responsible for the suffering and death of millions hence I feel no need to value his death that highly with all things considered. He may have been a person (I&#39;ll grant him that on only on scientific grounds) but he lost all value as a human being when he called me &#39;disordered&#39; and became head of an organisation that thinks I&#39;ll burn in hell for eternity
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    For all those who die from his contaception politicies I dont really care for him LardLad and his dogmatic piece of shit church.

    Also Trissy, where the fuck have you been?
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    I&#39;m not releshing his death, rather I&#39;m enjoying the fact he&#39;s no longer alive. There is a difference even if it is subtle.
    ....so you are enjoying his death. What difference is there?...if any?

    but he lost all value as a human being when he called me &#39;disordered&#39; and became head of an organisation that thinks I&#39;ll burn in hell for eternity
    So because he has a backwards view he has no value? That doesn&#39;t mean he isn&#39;t human that means he&#39;s ignorant. I don&#39;t blame him for his ignorance and niether should you. People shouldn&#39;t be hated because they&#39;ve been indoctrinated, they should be helped.
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    Originally posted by Pedro Alonso Lopez@Apr 2 2005, 09:48 PM
    For all those who die from his contaception politicies I dont really care for him LardLad and his dogmatic piece of shit church.

    Also Trissy, where the fuck have you been?
    who said you had to care for him? I don&#39;t think he was a good guy either. All I&#39;m saying is that people shouldn&#39;t celebrate someone&#39;s death.
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    Well, poor guy.

    I really feel sorry for him, according to this "specials" they show when something happens to someone famous his mother wanted him to be a priest, so I guess he was just brainwashed.

    Beware though that this days they will show many of those "videos" about how "great" his life was and about the new dictat...err, I mean god wannabe...errrrrrrr, pope. So if that bothers you, just keep away from the stupid thing called TV.
    Stop applauding, the spectacle is everywhere
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    i don&#39;t really understand why are you so happy this man&#39;s no longer alive...
    i don&#39;t believe in god, but it doesen&#39;t mean i want those who do to drop dead. he was surely a great man, and some thing he said/did were partly just because he had to cause of the institution and history of church. he modernized church and generally christianity in many ways. i&#39;m sure he was a lot better from many other popes, and probobly would be better from new one...
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    his mother wanted him to be a priest, so I guess he was just brainwashed.
    THANK YOU&#33;&#33;&#33; People act like he was inherently evil...his beliefs were the result of indoctrination and ignorance.....not that religion is ignorant...I&#39;m reffering to homophobia, sexism, etc.
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    Also Trissy, where the fuck have you been?
    I&#39;ve been around, I&#39;ve just been busy with Uni work. I only post when I have the time, when there is a subject that I find interesting, and when I feel I can contribute something to a discussion. Lately I&#39;ve been busy and nothing has caught my eye although I am thinking of replying to the new Nietzsche thread.

    ....so you are enjoying his death. What difference is there?...if any?
    It revolves around the meaning of death that I was using >>>
    death
    n.


    1.The act of dying; termination of life.

    2.The state of being dead.

    3.The cause of dying: Drugs were the death of him.

    4.A manner of dying: a heroine&#39;s death.

    5.often Death A personification of the destroyer of life, usually represented as a skeleton holding a scythe.

    6a. Bloodshed; murder. b. Execution.

    7.Law Civil death.

    8.The termination or extinction of something: the death of imperialism.
    The pope was alive then he went through a process of dying (1.) and then he was dead. I did not revel in the fact that he went through a process of dying, and nor did I in fact enjoy the fact that he was dead. I am merely enjoying the time that follows his initial death. Heart failure killed him but I did not enjoy and desire either his heart failure as a means to an end (i.e. a way of dying), nor the end of the heart failure (i.e. his death). Rather I am enjoying the time that follows that end (i.e. a world without him)

    I don&#39;t blame him for his ignorance and niether should you. People shouldn&#39;t be hated because they&#39;ve been indoctrinated, they should be helped.
    Sorry but as an Existentialist then I cannot blame anyone but him for his views. He freely chose his views no matter what things influenced his choices. Plus I can reassure you that I hated him a lot less then he hated me. His view was that I&#39;ll burn in hell for merely being who I am....I on the other hand give him the same end to his life as I believe I will have... the same that we all have....death as the mere cessation of life.

    Beware though that this days they will show many of those "videos" about how "great" his life was and about the new dictat...err, I mean god wannabe...errrrrrrr, pope. So if that bothers you, just keep away from the stupid thing called TV.
    Yes but I shouldn&#39;t have to&#33; God is in the process of dying, if He is not dead already, and so I should be free to utilise the media without having to hear of that bitter and sick old man&#39;s life. He&#39;ll be on TV, the radio and in the papers depsite the fact that most people aren&#39;t Christian or indeed Catholic.

    i don&#39;t really understand why are you so happy this man&#39;s no longer alive...
    i don&#39;t believe in god, but it doesen&#39;t mean i want those who do to drop dead.
    I&#39;ve explained that above...

    he was surely a great man
    Er...why? I look at his good acts and then look at the bad things he did and then I evaluate his life. I can think of many who did less beneficial things and yet I value them more because they didn&#39;t do things that led to many people suffering greatly...

    he modernized church and generally christianity in many ways
    Only in some very minor ways...he was still very much a conservative Catholic who refused to budge on his views of contraception, abortion, euthanasia and homosexuality.

    i&#39;m sure he was a lot better from many other popes, and probobly would be better from new one...
    Just because he wasn&#39;t the worst Pope doesn&#39;t mean he was a good Pope or even a good person...

    THANK YOU&#33;&#33;&#33; People act like he was inherently evil...his beliefs were the result of indoctrination and ignorance.....not that religion is ignorant...I&#39;m reffering to homophobia, sexism, etc.
    I&#39;ve already reffered to my philosophical basis for disliking him regardless of his upbringing...
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    Sorry but as an Existentialist then I cannot blame anyone but him for his views. He freely chose his views no matter what things influenced his choices. Plus I can reassure you that I hated him a lot less then he hated me. His view was that I&#39;ll burn in hell for merely being who I am....I on the other hand give him the same end to his life as I believe I will have... the same that we all have....death as the mere cessation of life.
    So would you blame slaves for contributing to capitalism by picking cotton? Hey they chose to pick it no matter what influenced them...even though being beaten and starved is a hell of an influence.

    No one is justifying his actions or beliefs, but everyone on here acts like he was trying to be evil. He was brainwashed into believing that these views were correct. He didn&#39;t choose to be catholic, his parents made him a catholic.
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    Originally posted by Trissy@Apr 2 2005, 10:35 PM
    Yes but I shouldn&#39;t have to&#33; God is in the process of dying, if He is not dead already, and so I should be free to utilise the media without having to hear of that bitter and sick old man&#39;s life. He&#39;ll be on TV, the radio and in the papers depsite the fact that most people aren&#39;t Christian or indeed Catholic.
    I KNOW. I&#39;m just giving a suggestion. I think I won&#39;t watch TV for about a month.
    Stop applauding, the spectacle is everywhere
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    There is a difference between engaging in manual labor on pain of having your legs chopped off and vouluntarily deciding to rise to the top of a religious organization and spout reactionary rhetoric.

    You can also just as easilly say that it is wrong to revel in the death of Hitler, because he too was in many ways a product of his surrounding environments, and childhood experiences that were beyond his control.
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    What is a good pope than trissy? A communistic pope? That would be quite a contradiction if you ask me? So you, being a communist, saying that he wasn&#39;t a good pope, means that you believe there is such a thing and this in my opinion is a contradiction to ur political viewpoint. Right? Just pointing something out.

    Anyway, the next pope will also be a conservative *****&#33; sadly&#33; anyway RIP john. You chose and lead well, even for an unjust cause
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    Originally posted by Drake Dracoli@Apr 2 2005, 10:57 PM
    There is a difference between engaging in manual labor on pain of having your legs chopped off and vouluntarily deciding to rise to the top of a religious organization and spout reactionary rhetoric.

    You can also just as easilly say that it is wrong to revel in the death of Hitler, because he too was in many ways a product of his surrounding environments, and childhood experiences that were beyond his control.
    I was talking about being catholic, which was the basis for his beliefs. I didn&#39;t say his parents made him become the pope. but they did make him become a catholic which was the basis for his actions. Also he didn&#39;t have some master plan to become the pope.

    Also I think it is wrong to revel in the death of Hitler. I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s wrong to do it because he&#39;s the pope, I think it&#39;s wrong to revel in anyone&#39;s death, even if their actions were horrendous. You are happy that someone has died, when their death hurt alot of innocent people. The pope left behind a lot of people who loved him, and you are happy that an incident occured that hurt them.
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    Also to add to my statement...I never meant that it was wrong to revel in the pope&#39;s death because he was indoctrinated...I was just saying that he wasn&#39;t doing these things to be evil...

    It is wrong to do so because death is never something to celebrate
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    let me just clear up my position so that we can end this pointless discussion

    I don&#39;t disagree that the pope&#39;s actions were wrong....I just disagree with everyone&#39;s belief that all these people in power are trying to hurt people. The pope&#39;s actions were wrong and he should be held accountable. However people often act like all of these people in power are trying to opress the working class. That isn&#39;t their goal, that isn&#39;t why they got into religion or politics. Certainly there are those who are trying to actively hurt people, but I don&#39;&#39;t think the pope or alot of religious leaders are.


    If I had it my way the office of the Pope would be done away with in a heart beat...but I don&#39;t think that John Paul II was the pope so that he could hurt anyone.


    I never meant it in a away that would imply that the pope should get off scott free.

    My two points are

    1: Even though his actions were harmful, he wasn&#39;t doing it to be harmful...he was just blind to his own harmfulness. He should be held accountable of course however.

    2: it&#39;s wrong to revel in death no matter who it is because their death hurt someone who loved them....I can&#39;t condone celebrating an even that hurts people. You don&#39;t have to mourn...but you don&#39;t have to celebrate
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