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    The president of the Russian Federation Putin and the president of Byelorussia Republic Lukashenko met recently. They discussed the possibility of the creation of the new united state. Byelorussian government eagers to join the Russian Federation and Putin seems not to be against their initiative.
    Different versions of the union were discussed at the meeting of the two presidents.
    The first one is "the complete union". This means that Russia and Byelorussia will form the one united state, with the one common president, government and parliament. The Constitution of Russian Federation will be the basis of the new state.
    The second discussed type of the union is the one which will be built similar to the principles of the European Union.
    The referendum , concerning the question of the new union, will be held in spring of 2003 in both republics. If the results is positive, then according to the first version, the elections of the new president and the new parliament will take place in the year 2004.

    The president of Byelorussia Lukashenko is known for his anti- american moods. Unlike Ukraine, Byelorussia had never strived for the cooperation with the Western capitalist world. Byelorussia is independent from the Western capital, and prefers pro-russian external politics.
    Lukashenko always seemed to be leftist, as Byelorussian economical system is more centralized than the economical systems of the other post-soviet republics.
    It is interesting what both of the countries will have in the result of their union. But so far we can be sure, that the world community will see the new union of the two post soviet union republics.
    And it is just the beginning.....
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    i heard that this lukashenko guy is a tyrannic dictature.Is it true or just propaghbanda?
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    he is tyrannic dictator. but still, along with russia its the only ex-soviet republic that didnt make laws against minorities.
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    Lukashenko was overwhelmingly elected in September 2001. Over 75% of the vote. I guess that makes your a tyrant. I support his centralised policies and anti-western sentiments.

    Election Results

    yuriandropov, a member here for about a month works for the Bellarussian KGB

    (Edited by Nateddi at 3:31 pm on Aug. 19, 2002)
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    Bellarussian KGB? Is that a good organisation or a bad one?

    I know that comment sounds a little simplistic, but does the group work in the interests of the people or is it more of a CIA-style pack of fascists?

    (Edited by CiaranB at 3:35 pm on Aug. 19, 2002)
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    75%!? nobody get something like in an election!!!! shame election!!!
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    Here is another source

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    i do not know what your politics are, however if you are a anarcho-communist or anarchist that is anti-military and anti-intelligence agencies, they are obviously evil. If you are not a radical anarchist and a normal person on non-economic issues, they are not bad compared to the CIA.

    (Edited by Nateddi at 3:57 pm on Aug. 19, 2002)
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    that the official results. that does not mean it is the true will of the people.
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    from new democracy
    75%!? nobody get something like in an election!!!! shame election!!!

    Hugo Chavez got 80% of the vote in the Venezuelan election.
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    "The burden of proof is left on he who asserts the positive"

    prove that he is hated by his people. i have statistics that he is, you have a strange personal stigma.


    (Edited by Nateddi at 12:13 am on Aug. 20, 2002)
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    what is not true?

    chavez was elected by his people. He is still supported by his people.
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    first of all he is authoritarian. you cant deny that. and seconed, the k.g.b were very cruel. he create a secret police like the k.g.b. most of the presidents in the former u.s.s.r came from a communist, or some of you will say "communist" backround. he came from an authoritarian backround!!! in practice nobody could be that popular. you have statistics that show official election results that could be a big fake. your statistics show only official election results. about chaves, i did not say that he wasnt elected i said that he didnt get 80% but 59%.
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    I heard Yuriandropov might be coming back sometime in the future. I hope so..

    Putin's friendship with bush left me unhappy. I had better expectations for a former KGB person. i know some have said he is just doing this for now to get on good terms with the U$A, but it seems he is quite comfortable as a capitalist.
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    dear mazdak,

    ive received an email from lenin about yuri's whearabouts. he will definatly be
    on-line again in October-November when they will all be in Russia. for those that don't know, yuriandropov = lenin's uncle.

    best wishes
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    thank you for backing me up malte!!!!
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    yep, i was right!
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    Quote: from Nateddi on 12:16 am on Aug. 20, 2002

    for those that don't know, yuriandropov = lenin's uncle.
    i wonder if anyone else almost had a heart attack there too.

    this lukashenko obviously rigs elections, and seems a corrupt, rigid 80s style soviet leader- but he did order the closing down of the only mcdonalds in favour of a russian style one selling cabagge
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    Quote: from new democracy on 2:25 am on Aug. 20, 2002
    first of all he is authoritarian. you cant deny that. and seconed, the k.g.b were very cruel. he create a secret police like the k.g.b. most of the presidents in the former u.s.s.r came from a communist, or some of you will say "communist" backround. he came from an authoritarian backround!!! in practice nobody could be that popular. you have statistics that show official election results that could be a big fake. your statistics show only official election results. about chaves, i did not say that he wasnt elected i said that he didnt get 80% but 59%.
    KGB type of organizations exist in every state of the world. For example, KGB just changed it's name into Ministerstvo Gosudarstvenoy Bezopasnosti- MGB ( Ministry of the State Defence, not military, but the intelligence organization). It was done by the former president Yeltsin, who is famous for being drunkard. It can be explained by the fear of the past times.

    Each leader , who prefers centralized policies is always called to be authoritarian and comes to be a dictator. Then together with Lukashenko , you could put such names as Fidel Castro, Mao and so on.
    But, according to the objective information Lukashenko is loved and respected by the citizens of Byelorussia.
    What about the statistic, which "proves" that he got less votes as it usually presented, I would definitely say that it is FALSE. This is the part of the informational war of the capitalist west , which supports Byelorussian opposition.

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