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  1. 21st August 2002, 14:32 #21
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    From what I read I can say that human rights violations are far worser in Belarus than in Cuba. There aren't any "disappeared" in Cuba for exapmple.
    I agree that the CIA was/is not better than the KGB but please, what does that proof? Nothing!
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    How many governments has the KGB overthrown??

    considering that you hate Lukashenko so much, you obviously do not realise the fact that he is a socialist and has activly spoke about reviving the Soviet Union. Out of all former Soviet republics, Belarus is ranked first in living standards. Belarus has the fastest growing economy in the FSU using market socialism. Belarus is one fo the few Soviet nations who have not had to struggle with drugs, crime and mafia influence because it has kept tight control of the nation.

    Lukashenko DID receive 75% of the vote because he is very popular amongst ordinary Belarussians. The only people who don't like him are 'intellectuals' who complain about human rights. Russia will benefit from the new Union.

    The main stumbling block of the union is that Putin does not particularly want Lukashenko running for president because he might win! that is a testamnet to the popularity of Lukashenko (he is VERY popular with communists, nationalists, and other non-centrist; which are most of russian voters).

    anyway malte, i've read your website. you support dictator fidel castro that will not even allow for free elections in the first place on the justification than his country is good to his people. you immediatly condemn lukashenko for the same thing you praise castro for. you can argue about the process in belarus, but at least the parties are legal and on every ballot there is an option to vote for the candidate you want; and you won't be sent as a political prisoner out of the possibility of being sympathetic to a certain party or view.

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    What is "market socialism"? I'm not aware of the term.
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    they allow for a greater market while keeping basic socialist principals (as compared to how they were under the soviet union, where the government owned basically everything)
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    Hey, I'm not a 100% supporter of Castro, I don't support dictatorship, or like you use to call it "democratic centralism". I do respect Castro, for liberating Cuba from US imperialism, and for his achievements in the Cuban social sytem.
    If so many Belorussians are supporting Lukashenko, why than is such a blatant oppression of the opposition is neccessary?
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    Quote: from CiaranB on 4:08 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
    What is "market socialism"? I'm not aware of the term.
    I guess "social market economy" or "social capitalism" is a more proper term.
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    Check out this article:http://www.socialistinternational.org/9Soc...atkevich-e.html

    It's written by the leader of Belarusian's social democratic party. It includes some intetesting facts, like that there's also a communist party and serveral trade unions in opposition to Lukashenko.
    For the record: I don't support social democracy, but it's still much better than such a dictatorship.
    "The proletariat, when it seizes power [...] should and must at once undertake socialist measures in the most energetic, unyielding and unhesitant fashion, in other words, exercise a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the CLASS, not of a party or of a clique -- dictatorship of the class, that means in the broadest possible form on the basis of the most active, unlimited participation of the mass of the people, of unlimited democracy." - Rosa Luxemburg

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    Quote: from Malte on 2:41 am on Aug. 22, 2002
    It's written by the leader of Belarusian's social democratic party. It includes some intetesting facts, like that there's also a communist party and serveral trade unions in opposition to Lukashenko.
    For the record: I don't support social democracy, but it's still much better than such a dictatorship.
    Do you call it dictatorship only because of the fact that there is "oppression" of the opposition? There is not any oppression of the Belorussian population. The situation with the violated human rights is just the fiction of Belorussian opposition, which they always remind about, just to show how they support "democracy". Belorussian citiizens live good, what else do they need? They are not oppressed, there are not any concentration camps or something like that. What is bad in this kind of political dictatorship, which is supported by the majority of the population?

    Also, not every party which calls itself "communist" is actually communist, the same with the trade unions. And that leader of the sociali democratic party is basicly a hypocritical political prostitute, whose words are just number of letters, which forms plain words, which are based on the unreal facts.
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    I agree with Nateddi, that elections were maybe correct, but that does not mean that man is not a dictator.

    Look at the Roman empire, they were electing a dictator.

    Anyway, I think that any union on capitalist base is doomed to the failure in the ex-Soviet bloc.

    Quote: from Nateddi on 3:55 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
    How many governments has the KGB overthrown??

    considering that you hate Lukashenko so much, you obviously do not realise the fact that he is a socialist and has activly spoke about reviving the Soviet Union. Out of all former Soviet republics, Belarus is ranked first in living standards. Belarus has the fastest growing economy in the FSU using market socialism. Belarus is one fo the few Soviet nations who have not had to struggle with drugs, crime and mafia influence because it has kept tight control of the nation.

    Lukashenko DID receive 75% of the vote because he is very popular amongst ordinary Belarussians. The only people who don't like him are 'intellectuals' who complain about human rights. Russia will benefit from the new Union.

    The main stumbling block of the union is that Putin does not particularly want Lukashenko running for president because he might win! that is a testamnet to the popularity of Lukashenko (he is VERY popular with communists, nationalists, and other non-centrist; which are most of russian voters).

    anyway malte, i've read your website. you support dictator fidel castro that will not even allow for free elections in the first place on the justification than his country is good to his people. you immediatly condemn lukashenko for the same thing you praise castro for. you can argue about the process in belarus, but at least the parties are legal and on every ballot there is an option to vote for the candidate you want; and you won't be sent as a political prisoner out of the possibility of being sympathetic to a certain party or view.

    (Edited by Nateddi at 4:00 pm on Aug. 21, 2002)
    Nateddi, don´t get it wrong, but I think your are little wrong on the issue when you say that a man is a socialist and was speaking about new Soviet Union. However I think it is great that someone is thinking that planned economy is great, but after some things I have read, he is probably thinking of new Stalinist Soviet Union, not any workers´ democracy, since his internationalism lacks very much. (That is also why nationalists ´love´him. He is probably another Great Russian chauvinist)

    Next thing are human rights. Actually on what they complain? After the need of free market or more hospitals?

    Anyway, I would call the regime more like state capitalism to some degree. But even that would require more study n the subject...



    (Edited by Turnoviseous at 5:53 am on Aug. 28, 2002)
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