Jesus

[1936]

Anyone else notice it?

1) Both anti-materialistic
2) Both men of medicine
3) Both great public speakers
4) Both revolutionaries against a imperealistic tyrany
5) The standard che picture looking up with nobality and grace to standard jesus pics

I know communism renounces religion, and its weakness of man. But this is just uncanny.

[Big Boss]

It is true that both of them fought the good of others and both of them gave their lives as sacrifice to their beleives. Jesus was not really a revolutionary but rather a pacifist. Che on the other hand was radical and used war as a way of stoping abuse and stablish peace.

[waltersm]

I agree, there is a lot of similarities. and communism doesn't renounce god

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by waltersm@Mar 1 2005, 12:20 AM
I agree, there is a lot of similarities. and communism doesn't renounce god

You're confused son.

Communism most definitely "renounces god"; just as it renounces all other silly superstitions.

I dispise the fact that so many people still think basic human morality is reserved for those of absurd superstitious beliefs.

I personally don't believe that muder for its own sake is a good idea, just as I feel balling your mate's wife while he is out of town is a bad idea.

To answer the initial question:

There are no more "identifiable" and subsequetly reserved physical and psychological traits shared by both "Jesus" and Che Guevara that make them related beyond the fact theat they exist as members of the same species.

I have know several cats in my day that fir the bill according to what you have described. I reckon the millions of others that also share these very same traits should have also been martyred; effectively cementing their highly common attributes into a class of mythological super men.

Both men unfortunately had to get whacked to obtain their reputations; that's one hell of a price tag.

[bed_of_nails]

They both had long hair, and facial hair... Che must have been the savior!

[sinadwen]

I have great respect for Ernesto Guevara, but honestly, comparing him to Jesus? That's a but much dont you think? It's almost like trying to say he was godlike, which he wasn't. He was but a man. If i thought about it hard enough I myself could compare myself to Jesus, I do work with wood afterall

[LSD]

1) Both anti-materialistic

"Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. Then saith one of his disciples...why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? ...then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always." - John 12:3

2) Both men of medicine

Jesus's "medicine":

"Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. - John 5:12

"For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had." - John 5:4

" And, lo, a spirit taketh him, and he suddenly crieth out; and it teareth him that he foameth again, and bruising him hardly departeth from him. 'Lo, a spirit taketh him, and he suddenly crieth out; and it teareth him that he foameth again, and bruising him hardly departeth from him.' And I besought thy disciples to cast him out; and they could not. And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither. And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father." - Luke 9:39

"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease." - Matthew 10:1

3) Both great public speakers

5) The standard che picture looking up with nobality and grace to standard jesus pics

...um....

4) Both revolutionaries against a imperealistic tyrany

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." - Matthew 22:21

"Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God." - Ephesians 6:5

"Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ." 1 Corinthians 6:22

"Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward." - 1 peter 2:18

I have great respect for Ernesto Guevara, but honestly, comparing him to Jesus? That's a but much dont you think?

Absolutely! Jesus and Che Guevera have one essential glaring difference.

Che actually existed.

Maybe it would do you better to compare Jesus with that other fictional character of equal intellect: Winnie the Pooh.

(alright, alright, that's a bit harsh on poor winnie...)

[More Fire for the People]

Haha... these so-called "communist-atheist" are funnier than I thought.

Not only do they hide there true intentions of fascism as communism they don't believe Jesus existed.

Jesus and Che are hardly comparable other than they were both socialsit - one utopian and the otehr scientific.

However, who I am to say Christ had a political message?

[LSD]

Not only do they hide there true intentions of fascism as communism they don't believe Jesus existed.

There is not a shread of historical evidence that Jesus ever existed.

Jesus and Che are hardly comparable other than they were both socialsit

*ahem*

"Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. Then saith one of his disciples...why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? ...then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always." - John 12:3

However, who I am to say Christ had a political message?

Clealy he had a message. I think it was "obey Caesar, keep your wives quiet, give mony to the Church, homoesxuality's bad and oh yeah.. slavery's cool."

...great guy.

[1936]

Im not all for Jesus and im not christian but come on....LAD, give us some bible refernces to where he did any of....

"obey Caesar, keep your wives quiet, give mony to the Church, homoesxuality's bad and oh yeah.. slavery's cool."

[LSD]

Well, since you asked nicely...

Obey Casear:

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." - Matthew 22:21

Keep your wives quite:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." - 1 Corinithans 14:34

Give money to the Church:

"But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. ath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things." Acts 5:1

Homoesxuality's bad:

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." - Jude 1:7

"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" - 1 Timothy 1:9

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Corinthians 6:9

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." - Romans 1:26

Slavery's cool:

"Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God." - Ephesians 6:5

"Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ." 1 Corinthians 6:22

"Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward." - 1 peter 2:18

[redstar2000]

Overlooked similarities between Che and "Jesus"...

1. Che walked from Cuba to Bolivia.

2. Che once sent a herd of pigs leaping into a barbecue pit.

3. Che drove the Trotskyists out of the Ministry of Industry building in Havana.

4. When Che met a woman taken in adultery, he said, "Come with me and sin some more".

5. At state dinners, Che fed "like the multitude".

6. Che said, "He that believeth in me is taking one hell of a gamble."

7. Che said, "I and my father are two."

[Don't Change Your Name]

Jesus, similarities with Hitler

(I originally posted a "Hitler, similarities with Che", which got lost after one of our daily server problems; this one's gonna be much harder)

Anyone else notice it?

1) Both were hated by foreigners
2) Both managed to get lots of followers, which still exist today
3) Both great public speakers
4) Both (supposedly) revolutionaries against a jewish tyrany
5) Both promised a lot to people if they became their followers
6) Both believed in god
7) Their followers like imposing rules and taking freedoms from others, as well as killing those who aren't like them
8) Both were probably repressed gays
9) Both have their birthday celebrated by their followers
10) Both left their "wisdom" in a book
11) The new pope is a nazi
12) Both had a lot of authority
13) Both were rascists
14) Both died before getting old

Those are lots of similarities...

[1936]

Obey Casear:

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." - Matthew 22:21

He meant that the coin upon which ceasars face was printed is worthless and ceaser is welcome to hes materialstic needs. For he had spiritual richness.



And the rest of your post is from the rest of the bible and not Jesus.

[OleMarxco]

As I said in another thread, whether or not Jesus existed.....he was clearly communistic, if not misguided on most things. Why do we ignore the part about "spreading the fish and bread into equal bits to 2000 people"? That clearly qualifies as communist in my book!

[LSD]

And the rest of your post is from the rest of the bible and not Jesus.

According to the vicar of Christ on earth, the New Testament is the inspired work of The Lord God and his only begotten son Jesus Christ. Therefore it's all Jesus.

As I said in another thread, whether or not Jesus existed.....he was clearly communistic,

I'm going to say this slowly, because you seem to be having trouble with the concept:

NO ... HE ... WASN'T

Why do we ignore the part about "spreading the fish and bread into equal bits to 2000 people"?

Probably because of his support of slavery, misogeny, heterosexism, racism, supernaturalism, theocracy, elitism, and oh yes... capitalism.

That clearly qualifies as communist in my book!

Really? So religious rule, racism, slavery, killing gay people, and oppressing women is "communism" to you?!?

Wow, you're um....confused....

[1936]

Im talking about the values and teachings of christ directly. I could throw car tyres at my cat and ramble about it being the work of jesus....does that make jesus a cat mobing hooligan?

[Sabocat]

I see absolutely no similarities between jesus and Che.

[More Fire for the People]

Were are you all coming up with these upsurd statemetns about Jesus ( how was he a racist?) and your claiming his follower's words to be his words.

[LSD]

Were are you all coming up with these upsurd statemetns about Jesus

The Bible.

and your claiming his follower's words to be his words.

I'm not making that claim, St. Paul is.


Oh, and I'm still waiting on your supposed proof that Jesus existed....

Im talking about the values and teachings of christ directly. I could throw car tyres at my cat and ramble about it being the work of jesus....does that make jesus a cat mobing hooligan?

It would if Jesus had appointed you his mouth piece and vicar on earch to spaeak in his name in all things until his glorious return at the end of days, glory be.

...like he did with the apostles and especially St. Peter.