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    You never cite evidence or even valid arguments. Your typical argument would be: "Anarchst ist stupidth" or "Stalin was moron!".

    What did Stalin do then? Show me his brutality.
    Let no one charge that socialists have arrayed class against class in this struggle. That has been done long since in the evolution of capitalist society. One class is small and rich and the other large and poor....One consists of capitalists and the other of workers. These two classes are at war. Every day of peace is at the expense of labor. There can be no peace and good will between these two essentially antagonistic economic classes. - Debs
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    This was taken from a message sent to an anti-Stalinist named Asadam:

    This new generation of Anarchists is quit disturbing. You children these days have a sick exadreation of your own intellegence and of that of the masses. You read some Guerin or Bookchin and think you are a revolutionary who understands what Marx truely ment and develope a distane for the former Soviet Republic. This however is completly unfounded. Stalin was the greatest leader, side from Lenin, that the Revolutionary Left has ever had the pleaser of following. He brought the people of Russian in to their most properous period in history and tossed aside those who stood in the way of progress and the soviet people. He sacraficed his own reputation by taking bold steps to diciplin his countrymen and for that his statues were torn down, by so called "True Communists". You need to seriously rethink your ideology and look back to what Stalin acheved and how close he came to the parradise we all desire so greatly. I hope you rethink your neive beleves and can give something to the Revolutionary movement.

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    **Pisses on the Iron One**

    There can only be one Iron one.

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    Iron Chef!

    Iron Chef would beat Stalin any day!
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    He sacraficed his own reputation by taking bold steps to diciplin his countrymen and for that his statues were torn down
    Ahhh, poor Stalin. Did he cry?

    Man, I can tell, I got pissed when they teared down my statue. :angry:
    Let no one charge that socialists have arrayed class against class in this struggle. That has been done long since in the evolution of capitalist society. One class is small and rich and the other large and poor....One consists of capitalists and the other of workers. These two classes are at war. Every day of peace is at the expense of labor. There can be no peace and good will between these two essentially antagonistic economic classes. - Debs
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    It's not like he'll miss one!!!!!!!!
    In what relations do the Communists stand to the proletarians as a whole? The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to other working class parties. They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole. They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to shape and mould the proletarian movement.
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    The CPC/PCQ was once Canada's party of Kruschevite revisionists. Now it maintains delightfully vague positions on more or less everything.

    (This is changing. The constitution will probably be ammended at the conference this Spring to favour Quebec Sovreignty, and propaganda of the deed.)

    (Kidding.)
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    I thought you were gone <_<
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    I thought you were gone
    Your disgraceful trashing of my thread has not detered me from posting on this site. And I will not stop until everyone here knows the truth of Stalin&#39;s teachings.

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    More stories of purges ha?

    Millions of people were killed, a lot of them were even revolutionaries. Their death was usually precedeed by an extremely painfull stay at one of the numerous gulags. Millions more died due to poor military decision by the pseudo Generalissimo. With all this, the only thing that minds you are . . . Stalin statues&#33;
    Let no one charge that socialists have arrayed class against class in this struggle. That has been done long since in the evolution of capitalist society. One class is small and rich and the other large and poor....One consists of capitalists and the other of workers. These two classes are at war. Every day of peace is at the expense of labor. There can be no peace and good will between these two essentially antagonistic economic classes. - Debs
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    Millions of people were killed, a lot of them were even revolutionaries
    This is a common misconception of the neive anarchist youth. Stalin only killed people who are called "counter-revolutionarys", these people wanted to hurt the workers movment in Russia and alow Facists to gain power. This may be hard a hard concept for you to understand but real Communists have to eliminate the threats to the people. Only those who are extremly neive, like you, beleive that all can be solved through smoking weed and watching "Farenhiet". I hope you will revise your sick ideologe.

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    Don&#39;t dismiss Micheal Moore fucker, I have a fuckin statue of him planted in my backyard. I start every morning by pledging allegiance to comrade Sta ... eh - Micheal Moore.

    Dear cultist.

    As I recall correctly the USSR failed, MASSIVE. Many people who had helped the bolsheviks to come to power, ended up as victims of soviet stateoppression. Many more people, who supported the ideal of a classless communist society, ended up in the Gulags, during Stalin&#39;s reign.

    He didn&#39;t only try to expand the USSR a la imperialism, but also activly helped the Hitler regime. Stalin threw revolutionaries in the gulags, while his closest associates were capitalists.

    Stalin was in obvious agreement with the statecapitalists, otherwise it wouldn&#39;t have been possible for such a large group of capitalists to achieve such high positions. It shouldn&#39;t be a suprise, that his closest associates renounced him and revisioned the USSR.

    PS: explain to me the "naive anarchist" what a contra-revolutionary is. Does such a person oppose Stalin or Marx?

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    Let no one charge that socialists have arrayed class against class in this struggle. That has been done long since in the evolution of capitalist society. One class is small and rich and the other large and poor....One consists of capitalists and the other of workers. These two classes are at war. Every day of peace is at the expense of labor. There can be no peace and good will between these two essentially antagonistic economic classes. - Debs
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    As I recall correctly the USSR failed, MASSIVE. Many people who had helped the bolsheviks to come to power, ended up as victims of soviet stateoppression. Many more people, who supported the ideal of a classless communist society, ended up in the Gulags, during Stalin&#39;s reign.

    He didn&#39;t only try to expand the USSR a la imperialism, but also activly helped the Hitler regime. Stalin threw revolutionaries in the gulags, while his closest associates were capitalists.

    Stalin was in obvious agreement with the statecapitalists, otherwise it wouldn&#39;t have been possible for such a large group of capitalists to achieve such high positions. It shouldn&#39;t be a suprise, that his closest associates renounced him and revisioned the USSR.
    The USSR did not fail beacuse of Stalin&#39;s programs, infact Russia was most properous during Stalin&#39;s reing. The true crooks behind the fall of Soviet Russia were the devius Revisionists and Imperialist Americans who sabitoged the USSR and caused its downfall.

    explain to me the "naive anarchist" what a contra-revolutionary is. Does such a person oppose Stalin or Marx?
    Yes they do oppose Stalin and Marx.

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    as i recall Trotsky was exiled... i guess he needed to be purged becuase he was a "reactionary evil imperialist revisionist pig right? he was endangering communism right? along with millions of other workers,generals and statesmen who were pruned almost entirely at random.
    infact Russia was most properous during Stalin&#39;s reing.
    really... i would like some actual statistics, as in how many citizen, military and political deaths occured during his reign. Along with the economics and GNP at the time.


    as i recall reading, during the battle of stalingrad the russian infantry had one rifle for 2 men...... meaning half of your infantry does not have a rifle. sounds very
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    as i recall reading, during the battle of stalingrad the russian infantry had one rifle for 2 men...... meaning half of your infantry does not have a rifle.
    Actually beacuse of Stalin&#39;s great five year plans the country DID prosper, you damn FOOL&#33; READ UP ON IT, IT IS COMMON knowlege&#33; Unless you are Revisionist&#33;

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    Stalin he did make the USSR more prosperous but the cost was to high (I mean the human toll) I have read about Stalin&#39;s era. He not only exiled Trotsky but then chased him and murdered him. Trotsky was a true revolutionist and did not deserve to die. Military deaths exceded 10 million as did civilian during his reign but that was largely due to WW2. Stalin was to paranoid that&#39;s why he killed so many ok he did have a reason for being paranoid Hitler but that&#39;s no excuse for murdering so many of his countrymen. Because of Stalin Communism is viewed by many as evil and inherently wrong, he was no good. He was an evil sadist bastard.
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    Originally posted by General Secretary of RWLP@Feb 13 2005, 03:25 AM
    The USSR did not fail beacuse of Stalin&#39;s programs, infact Russia was most properous during Stalin&#39;s reing. The true crooks behind the fall of Soviet Russia were the devius Revisionists and Imperialist Americans who sabitoged the USSR and caused its downfall.

    explain to me the "naive anarchist" what a contra-revolutionary is. Does such a person oppose Stalin or Marx?
    Yes they do oppose Stalin and Marx.

    -General Secretary of GHRWLP, Rono McKoy
    Yes, Stalin is partly to blame for the failure of the USSR. These revisionists were some of Stalin&#39;s best friends and associates. They had the most power after Stalin. How do you explain that Stalin was befriended with revisionists? Or that the entire top of the Soviet Communist Party turned out to be revisionsist?

    No, American sabotage is a weak excuse. The USSR sabotaged the US as well, but they didn&#39;t collapse.

    There are large diffences between how Marx described Communism and how Stalin practised it. So again I ask you, who was the contra-revolutionary? Stalin or Marx?

    Sidenote: the story of rifleshortages is not true. The USSR had vast quantities of weapons. The problem were the impossible orders of Stalin, poor quality of some weapons, poor quality of the officer corps, poor tactics. Even in Leningrad which was surrounded and isolated, there wasn&#39;t a shortage of rifles.
    Let no one charge that socialists have arrayed class against class in this struggle. That has been done long since in the evolution of capitalist society. One class is small and rich and the other large and poor....One consists of capitalists and the other of workers. These two classes are at war. Every day of peace is at the expense of labor. There can be no peace and good will between these two essentially antagonistic economic classes. - Debs
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    who cares, what has stalin done besides be a moron
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    Originally posted by Wiesty@Feb 13 2005, 08:38 PM
    who cares, what has stalin done besides be a moron
    Yet another fantastic critique.
    There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
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    Originally posted by Wiesty@Feb 13 2005, 08:38 PM
    who cares, what has stalin done besides be a moron
    Give fuckin argumentation. To take up your style:

    who cares, what has Wiesty done besides be a moron
    Let no one charge that socialists have arrayed class against class in this struggle. That has been done long since in the evolution of capitalist society. One class is small and rich and the other large and poor....One consists of capitalists and the other of workers. These two classes are at war. Every day of peace is at the expense of labor. There can be no peace and good will between these two essentially antagonistic economic classes. - Debs

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