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    WWF Report Warns of Looming 'Budget Deficit' with Nature
    For Release: 10/21/2004

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    WASHINGTON - People are consuming the earth's natural resources 20 percent faster than nature can renew them--a dangerous imbalance that is fueling the loss of species and may lead to critical resource shortages in the years ahead, according to a World Wildlife Fund study released on Thursday.

    Driven largely by energy and materials consumption in the United States and other industrialized nations, the size of humanity's "ecological footprint," as measured by the amount of natural resources we consume, has increased 2.5 times over the past 40 years, while key environmental values have declined by similar amounts. The finding is one of several alarming trends documented in the 2004 edition of WWF's Living Planet Report, an index that tracks species abundance and human resource use around the globe.

    The world has some 28 billion acres of productive land and ocean to meet the needs of 6.3 billion people--an average of 4.4 acres person. At current rates of consumption, however, the global ecological footprint requires an average of 5.4 acres' productivity per person - roughly 20 percent more than what can be sustained today's levels. "We are spending nature's capital much faster than it can be regenerated. Collectively, we are bequeathing to our children the most dangerous budget deficit of all, an ecological debt of growing proportions," said Richard Mott, WWF's Vice President for International Policy.

    While this year's "ecological footprint" of 5.4 acres represents a global average, the report also documents how consumption rates vary region by region and country by country. Americans, for instance, have an ecological footprint of 23.5 because it takes that may acres of land and sea space to produce what the average American consumes in natural resources every year. The average African, by contrast, consumes less than 2.5 acres of resources per year. Energy consumption, particularly in the U.S. but also in western Europe, accounts for much of the imbalance. The energy component of the footprint, dominated by use of non-renewable fossil fuels such as oil, coal and gas, increased nearly 700 percent in the 40-year period surveyed, from 1961 to 2001.

    In addition to measuring consumption, the Living Planet Report also contains a unique index that tracks population trends for more than 1,100 terrestrial, freshwater and marine species. The latest Living Planet Index tracks a continuing decline in these species, whose numbers have fallen by about 40 percent between 1970 and 2000. Freshwater species suffered the most, declining by about 50 percent, while terrestrial and marine species fell by about 30 percent.

    "The impact of our consumption, or ecological footprint, on the vanishing species tracked by the Living Planet Index is powerfully clear," said Mott. "Our challenge as a society is to find ways to live within the planet's carrying capacity, and to do so before it is too late." The report outlines a number of recommendations for doing so while still maintaining a high standard of living. They include switching to renewable and non-polluting alternative energies to reduce global warming, creating more comprehensive recycling and waste reduction programs, encouraging more public transportation and implementing building and product design innovations that can lead to much greater energy efficiencies than at present.

    "Sustainable living is not incompatible with a high standard of living," added Mott, "if we begin making the right choices now."
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    yeah. this is called the Malthusian spectre.

    a geographer named Malthus came up with this theory yonks ago.

    the world does not have enough resources to support a spiralling population.

    should something as scary as this justify GM foods?!?

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    No! Besides not eating meat that another thing I won't consume -- GM food. but, that's where the ELF come in. Some people think GM is great, though and will eliminate starvation. May BE... but at what cost?
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    Some people think GM is great, though and will eliminate starvation. May BE... but at what cost?
    We have to try of course: To knee-jerk it away is irrational. The truth of the matter is we know jack shit about it, we have to try. We shouldn't be fighting against GM foods themselves, but at the methods in which they are being tested - many subsistence farmers are the ones doing the testing work on this, when in reality it should be 'ole whitey in the west who's risking both his life, crops, and children.

    I'm all in favour of GM: I'm all out against the methods being used in it's rollout.

    As to the overconsumption of resources, as has been noted this is nothing "new" per se. Our very society is founded on the idea of want, so it follows that our lifestyles become one of overconsumption; that our industries become little more than rapists.

    The questions is of course, what can be done to reverse these trends?
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    Sure DaCuban, if you want to be the guinea pig.

    Did anyone ever think of giving these starving people a package of seeds, a hoe and some good top soil ?

    The cancer rates are like triple.. quadruple of what they use to be. Don't you think there is any correlation between that and the environment & technology?
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    This is another example of of irrational "predictions of disaster" that will never come to fruition.
    "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein
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    The cancer rates are like triple.. quadruple of what they use to be. Don't you think there is any correlation between that and the environment & technology?
    The statistics for cancer and other such diseases are highly misleading, just like all statistics, really. The reason why you see such an increase in cases is more related to our extended lifespan: We're all living longer, and we're a lot better at medicine - when in the past people were written off as "dead", we can now determine the case of death in many cases.

    Do you think a 19th century doctor would be able to recognise a cancerous growth?

    I can only work from the statistics for the UK, but I remember when examining them back in my school days, that you could plot an almost perfect curve illustrating the rising life expectancy, and it corrolated almost precisely with that of rising cases of Cancer, Strokes, Heart attacks and other 'modern' ills.

    We simply found these things: They're no more prevolent than they've ever been.
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    Come on DaCuban!!!! That is just plain naieve to say! You don't even need statistical charts to see it. There are many young people outside of any statistic range who are developing cancers they should not be. One cannot disregard the correlation between the environment and those facts. Radiation, both natural and technological, pesticides, chemicals, pollution, technology, etc. has GOT to have increased the cancer rates.
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    There are many young people outside of any statistic range who are developing cancers they should not be.
    Whereas one hundred years ago, these kids never even got treatment for it - they were quite simply part of the death toll. Noone was finding out what was actually wrong with them!

    One cannot disregard the correlation between the environment and those facts. Radiation, both natural and technological, pesticides, chemicals, pollution, technology, etc. has GOT to have increased the cancer rates.
    I'm not disregarding it: I've never been confronted with such a correlation to pay regard!

    I find it intruiging that radiation is a cause of cancer, given that radiation kills all life - hense why we use it as a treatment for cancer, and hense why they wrap you up in cotton wool once the treatment has been administered - the slightest cold, and you could be fucked, as the radiation ain't just killing the cancer, but is killing your white blood cells too.

    I'm not biologist of course...

    Pesticides and Chemicals are indeed a problem, but is the problem lying in the use of such things (bearing in mind that pesticides and chemicals are primarily used to combat infestations of insects in the former, and often to increase yielf in the latter - both very useful) or in the way they are applied?

    I would agree that not enough work is done here, but neither has any empirical evidence been submitted to support this.

    As to pollution? Well, we know that prolonged exposure to carbon monoxide increases the risk of such ills, but it is my understanding that it's not the cause of cancerous growths - it diminishes our bodies natural defenses, causing this problem.
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    Radiation, both natural and technological

    A full body dose of 100 rem is required to give the human body minor damage that can be naturally repaired. Full body doses of 500 rem or more can cause death if not treated and may lead to the development of cancerous cells later in life as a few cells in the body will be damaged beyond repair and will continue to replicate mutated (or cancerous) cells.

    A full body dose 1000 rem or more is required to kill a human being treatment or not.

    Every human being will receive natural doses of radiation from their environment no matter what; depending on where you live and what you do these doses can vary anywhere from 300 to 400 Mrem per year (an Mrem is the equivalent of one thousandth of an rem).

    So as you can see, radiation exposure is not likely to cause damage to anyone, regardless of technology.

    To put it into perspective, the individuals present at the three Mile Island nuclear meltdown only received a total body dose 80 Mrem of radiation.

    pesticides, chemicals, pollution, technology, etc. has GOT to have increased the cancer rates
    According to the CDC and EPA, there has been no significant increase at all.

    Just so you know, smoking cigarrettes contributes to more cases of cancer each year than all of these combined over a 20 year period.
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    No! Besides not eating meat that another thing I won't consume -- GM food.
    Did anyone ever think of giving these starving people a package of seeds, a hoe and some good top soil ?
    I hope you realise that modern farming methods are the reason you are able to be a vegetarian without suffering protein deficiencies. The same goes for vegans.
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    That's wrong RAF.. Ciggarettes may cause more cancer Deaths, but not more cancer incidents overall. There are less smokers and more non-lung cancers or cancers in smokers or former smokers, now than in the last 20 years.

    Ionized radiation genetically changing the whole structure of the chemical bonds in atoms. these so called natural doses of radiation are also causing people to contract skin cancers from environmental fuckups such as exposure to the sun from ozone depletion and uranium and radon factors.

    Carbon Monoxide doesn't cause cancer, but long term exposure at low amounts causes illness and short term exposure can kill within minutes due to lack of oxygen.
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    That's wrong RAF.. Ciggarettes may cause more cancer Deaths, but not more cancer incidents overall
    I and the CDC beg to differ.


    Ionized radiation genetically changing the whole structure of the chemical bonds in atoms
    Sort of. Radiation removes the electrons from cells and subsequently causes the cell to form ions. These ions are what causes damage to other atoms within the cell.

    At doses of less than 100 rem, these cells will naturally (and rather quickly) repair themselves as the damage is not that terrible.

    You may not "believe" the facts but they are facts none the less.

    these so called natural doses of radiation are also causing people to contract skin cancers from environmental fuckups such as exposure to the sun from ozone depletion and uranium and radon factors.

    What exactly do you mean by "so called"? Are you going to refute the fact that every thing around you emits radiation? That would be rather silly.

    Like I said, there is nothing around you (including ozone depletion) that will give you a full body dose of more than 30 rem; and that's if you are unfortunate enough to have to go through chemotherapy.

    In addition, in an average home, average exposure of radiation due to radon has not exceeded 2.4 rem per year.

    That's approximately 90 rem less than what is required to cause "possible" irreversible cell damage.

    Uranium is much less.

    What you fail to understand is the dynamics behind cancer. There will always be a small percentage of individuals that have a hieghtened risk of cancer from even the most mundane of sources. These are the unfortunate individuals that produce cancerous cells from even a very limited exposure to carcinogenic elements.

    As of right now, there is absolutely nothing we can do for them but hopefully that will change in the near future.

    As far as carbon monoxide is concerned, an individual need not worry about expose when they are outdoors, only when they are inside. If that bothers them then I suggest they invest a small amount of money into a carbon monoxide detector. They work very well.
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    RAF, Show me your CDC stats.

    you are saying that smoking related cancer incidents: Lung, throat, mouth, outnumber ALL or any other cancer!!! Sorry, That's not true. Breast cancer in woman and prostate cancer in men each outnumber all three of those cancers in total. Not in lung cancer MORTALITY rates.. but it does so in prevalence of incident. It's just ignorant to say otherwise!!!!!!!!

    and I am referring to the so-called Natural doses of radiation that are not natural..


    >>>>Sort of. Radiation removes the electrons from cells and subsequently causes the cell to form ions. These ions are what causes damage to other atoms within the cell. <<<<

    That&#39;s exactly what I said.
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    CDC Cancer Statistics

    Unfortunately, the archive is all PDF&#39;s, and I&#39;m forced to use Windows at work (and won&#39;t install adobe acrobat ) so I&#39;ve no idea what information may actually lie within - but there it is anyway.
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    Thanks, DACuban.. but I DON"T need to see that. it&#39;s just obvious that every woman is born with a pari of breasts and the stats for that is 1 out of 3 woman will develop a malignant tumor in her life time. same goes for every man.. all born with a prostrate gland and the rate is very high for that too&#33; Not everyone smokes ciggarettes though. the MORTALITY rate, i.e. the death rate of developing lung cancer is higher than the rate of death for those two cancers because breast and prostate are more easily detected in the earlier stages and therefore more curable, whereas lung cancer from smoking is not detected until a later stage and not easily curable.

    RAF just does not want to admit that he&#39;s not right this time&#33;
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    I don&#39;t wish to be harsh, but...

    1 out of 3 woman will develop a malignant tumor in her life time.
    ...I heard it was 1 out of 5 women My point is though, without consulting somewhere such as the CDC, it may as well be another fact pulled from the ass. <_< As I said, statistics are bullshit.

    If someone would be so good as to delve into the site I posted above, we can confirm the figures, and continue this discussion: Until we have a credited source though, the discussion is essentially moot...

    RAF just does not want to admit that he&#39;s not right this time&#33;
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    Ok. I looked it up on your CDC source. from the prevalance of Incident rate, chart.. which is what is disputed here.

    The estimated Prevalence count in the US on Jan 1, 2001 for Breast cancer
    at the 0-<5 year mark is 795,912 for all sexes and races. for all woman race or age specifically is 791,033.


    The estimated lung AND bronchial Prevalence count in the US on Jan. 1, 2001 at the same mark 0-<5 for all races and ages is 201, 687.
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    So no contest really Thanks.

    However, we&#39;re now faced with a totally different dillema: How does one contract
    breast cancer? To conlcude this, we need to show some corrolation between the rise of chemical use in the food chain, the rising levels of pollution in water supplies and air, and so on to the contraction of mammarian cancers.

    I think perhaps I&#39;ll just read this stuff when I get home...
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    you are saying that smoking related cancer incidents: Lung, throat, mouth, outnumber ALL or any other cancer&#33;&#33;&#33;
    Are you sure that&#39;s what I said?

    Perhaps you should review that post in particular. Actually, to save time I will do it for you:

    You said:

    pesticides, chemicals, pollution, technology, etc. has GOT to have increased the cancer rates
    I said:

    Just so you know, smoking cigarrettes contributes to more cases of cancer each year than all of these combined over a 20 year period.

    You then said:

    That&#39;s wrong RAF.. Ciggarettes may cause more cancer Deaths, but not more cancer incidents overall
    Now, as the point of this dispute was me stating that cigarette smoking causes more cases of cancer than pesticides, chemicals, pollution and technology combined, It is logical to think that if your next reply is "that&#39;s wrong", you are still referring to the subject at hand.

    Which is what I am referring to. How you suddenly jumped from those specific areas (you remember, the ones I was talking about) to "every case of cancer period", no one but yourself can surmise.

    Let&#39;s stay on topic, shall we?

    and I am referring to the so-called Natural doses of radiation that are not natural..

    Please, feel free to list them.

    I will then feel free to show you how each and every one of them emits thousands of times less the radiation than the amount required to barely affect a human in any way shape or form.

    death for those two cancers because breast and prostate are more easily detected in the earlier stages and therefore more curable whereas lung cancer from smoking is not detected until a later stage and not easily curable.

    Cancer is not curable, only treatable.

    RAF just does not want to admit that he&#39;s not right this time&#33;


    That does not appear to be the case, does it?

    >>>>Sort of. Radiation removes the electrons from cells and subsequently causes the cell to form ions. These ions are what causes damage to other atoms within the cell. <<<<

    That&#39;s exactly what I said.

    No it&#39;s not.

    You said:

    Ionized radiation genetically changing the whole structure of the chemical bonds in atoms
    Which is over-simplified and wrong.
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