The mother should never be allowed to abort.
only before one month
after one month but before two months
dito before three months
dito before four months
dito before five months
dito before six months
dito before seven months
after 7 months but before eight months
Anytime before the child is born
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This is not a thread about if abortion should or shouldn't be allowed (there are heaps of them already) but rather if it is allowed, after what age shouldn't it be allowed?
There are a number of people on this site who think that while the child is still inside the mother (right up until its birth) it can still be killed. I find this view frankly abhorrent. And amazingly enough they think that once it has been born, to kill it would be murder.
As I said, this is not about if abortion should be allowed or not (so if you don't think it should be, please don't reply, just answer the poll).
(edit: that first option is a bit strong maybe. Sorry about that.)
I am against abortion but if ever abortion is legal all over the world, I think the best time to abort a baby is before 8 weeks because during that time the fetus/foetus still doesn't loook human so it would really not make someone feel like she's killing a human being but nevertheless, even if it doesn't look human, it still is very human.
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There should be a limit as to the time when a foetus can be aborted- perhaps about 18-24 weeks, but as for abortion i am totally for it.
i the name of free will, i believe that it is the order of the mother.
i dont argue that it cannot be seen as murder, but i am definatley pro choice.
however, i like polls, so i'll join in!!!!
Personally I'm anti-abortion but I believe it is up to the mother to choose whether or not to have an abortion. I think this is one subject where I should have absolutly no say in the matter.
Seeing as I agree abortion should be legal, anything up to one month is what I would say, anything after wards and it's not right.
IMO anyone who says abortion at any time is OK are a bit weird.
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Abortion at any time is nobody's God-damn business but the mother.
Eeexactly. And just because abortion at any time would be theoretically possible, it probably wouldn't happen very often anyway so I don't see why it's such a controversial idea.
And the notion that a baby in the womb is human is only true insofar as it is part of it's human mother. The baby is potentially an independent human, but whilst it's in the womb it is only human when considered part of the mother.
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Honestly, do you expect women to carry their baby for eight or nine months and then suddenly decide to get rid of it for no fucking reason?
If a mother's going to terminate their pregnancy that far into it, have any of you even considered why she would make such a choice?
What if the fetus stops developing early on in the pregnancy and the mother finds out at seven months that it has fluid-filled cranium with no brain tissue and has no chance of survival outside her womb?
Let's see a show of hands of who want her to carry it along and squeeze it out as a corpse anyway?
What if the woman has an ectopic pregancy and the birth would kill the mother?
Let's see a show of hands of who wants to see her die.
Where do any of you get off deciding how late a woman can have an abortion, in a little fucking poll, on a message board with a population that consists mostly of guys?
I think you all should read this book which discusses every aspect of the abortion/family planning battle.
"The War On Choice" by Gloria Feldt, President of Planned Parenthood
I agree with you. There are plenty of reasons for a late-term abortion, but that isn't the point. After reading that argument, a lot of ass-holes will say, "well, okay... if that's the case then the mother can have an abortion." But like I said, that isn't the point. The mother's motives don't need to be questioned. It's her own body. She can do anything she pleases to anything living in her at any time. What condition the parasite is in doesn't matter.
I was reading a well good book which had a few paragraphs about this subject. And it gave this metaphor roughly.
A painting starts off as a blank canvas and some paint on a pallette. But at some stage along the way, it turns from a blank canvas, to a canvas with various paint marks on, to a piece of art. But is it possible to say which brush stroke turns it into art? Or at what point in the brush-stroke? No. In the same way, it is impossible to say definitively at what stage a foetus becomes a human, whilst it's in the womb anyway. The only place you can categorically draw a line is at birth, any point other than that is subjective.
Thats not quite what it was, I will get the exact quote and book information if anyone is interested, but you get the idea.
However the most convincing arguments are RedZeppelin's which is my own perspective, and MdP makes some good points too, appealing more to people's emotions.
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Absolutely. I completely agree.
allthough i wish for the other alternatives to aboortion i recognise it as a necessity for women to have this choice, i chose 3 months for no real reason at all
AM, your point is that abortion is abortion and that the baby is stillborn or not born hensforth, the baby was not murdered, i somewhat agree, however, if the baby is past 7 months along then, is fully formed and if popped out could most likely breath and possibly survive, then it would be a murderous abortion with a fully deveoped embryo sticking out like a basketball in your wifes stomach, ya dig?
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It's true that fetuses birthed in the third trimester can survive sometimes, but that doesn't negate our arguments. If the woman wants to have that clump of cells in her stomach killed, then why can't she do it? She may have an absolutely absurd reasons or no reasons at all, but that doesn't matter. The fetus is in here, so she can determine what's done to it, always.
Michael De Panama and RedZeppelin have convinced me here.
Originally I would have said that it is the mother's choice, but within the time-frame of 3-4months when the baby isn't too developed. I was also semi-swayed by the notion of a (don't attack me) priest who said abortion should not take place after the point of pregnancy when a foetus can no longer split (as a 'person' cannot exist as two seperate entities - this was a philosophical arguement).
But now that I look at it, I really have no place dictating to a mother (or anyone for that matter) what they can do to themselves, and when.
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I guess the question here was, when does the child become human?
Rasta Sapian I don't understand what you mean. I don't like abortion at any time. But I do think that if it is going to be around, then it should be before the child becomes recognisably human and definitely not after the child would be able to survive outside the mother on its own.
The reason for the poll is to find out when others think it should be allowed until.
(And I find it completely strange that 15 out of 24 respondents so far seem to think that it is fine to kill a child even at the moment before birth. Here's a question, what if the mother is in labour and wants to abort, is that all right?)
An abortion would not be possible in those circumstances. The given doctor would have to deal with the imminent situation: the birth of the child. And even given that, because the child is relatively fully formed (infants are fully formed after 1 year - including the 9 months in the womb) it would be a better option to have the child given up for adoption.
What happens is will always be the woman's choice as it is her body, but a doctor's opinion should always be held in high regard.
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Bullshit.
I don't find this type of thought to be surprising on this board considering the average age of the members here.
Eventually you kids will understand the psychological ramifications that a child can have on the father; until then you will remain ignrorant in your pseudo-leftist rhetoric.
As long as both the mother and father agree that an abortion is in their own best interests, the pregnancy should be aborted.
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People who say at any stage are, i'm sorry to say ignorant, and have no idea what they are talking about. After around 5-6 months it becomes dangerous to abort, and is rare. The anti-abortion crowd call it a partial birth abortion, they only usually happen when the mothers life is in danger, or some other similar extream circumstanses.
Usually if the mother was going to have an abortion, she would have done far earlier. So really after that stage its pretty well a none issue.
Not to mention that the only real argument that exists is that a fetus is not human, this is because it can not survive outside the womb at that stage. Well going on 6 months, they can and have, so that argument falls down.
So really those of you who say "anytime", should give it a bit more thought.
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