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Sorry if this topic's been made. Anywho, what do you think?
i dont know that much about them, but from what i do, i would have to suggest that the UK branch at least (i dunno if theres others?), suck ass.
they claim to be a 'multi-faceted' party, but actually all they really seem to care bout is the environment and animals, which, whilst important, cannot be the sole focus of any political party. they seem pretty 1 dimensional, plus they will never gain power because most people see them as hippies lol
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Sorry if my question might sound stupid but what does The Green part actually stand for? It sounds like a gathering for people that would or fight for the nature, "ecological wisdom" people's democracy, peace/non-violence? Social Justice, or?
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i think the green party standes for something like animal rights and more use of reusable energy, and what i can see from them there quit refromist
i dont know a lot but this is how the majority of UK voters would perceive them i would suggest.
up until the last set of UK local elections, they were really a single-issue party, concerned only with protecting the environment, cutting down on pollution etc.
in the last election, they tried to become a multi-issue party talking the same old crap about improving hospitals schools etc. i dont pay any attention to them.
one, love, one, music, one, people, one, movement, one, heart, one, spark.
'One' by Immortal Technique
The World is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing
Albert Einstein
Bush is a 'political imbecile' and a tyrant who puts Hitler to shame.
extracts from a press release by the North Korean Foreign Ministry
Let's save the world, one by one. We'll make them believe, conform if they must. Don't question the thought, it's always been told. We'll make them believe, let's save the world.
'Save the World' by RUFiO
The green party are a more eco-friendly and socially conscious version of the democrats.
They're very reformist and have no plans on getting rid of capitalism. Regardless of how many times Cobb refers to corporate wrongdoings, things would not be different if he was president.
Their hearts are in the right place, but they don't quite 'get it' when it comes to the class conflict..
commiecrusader, I would suggest you learn about the Green Party before dismissing them as "suck ass", "1 dimensional" and only bothered about "environment and animals".
Especially after The Green Party's campaigning during the recent MEP and local council elections, how could you still fall for that old chesnut?
The Green Party are focused on improving on the environment and animal rights. Yes. Of course, as many world leaders will admit, the problem of global warming is a more major problem than terrorism in the world today. It is the biggest threat to life on this earth. The Green Party realise this more than any other, which is why they highlight it so.
But they do have political policy. They are quite humanist; seeking the abolition of all parties with a racist agenda i.e. they join the masses in their campaign to abolish the BNP. They also want to invest heavily in communities, loacal small business and in people, opposing the increasing running of Europe in favour of multinational companies.
Although they won't fully support the abolition of public and private schools, they do state that these schools, and all independant schools, must prove their worth. If they are proven not to have a worth to society, they will seek abolition. They are pushing the cause of de-privatising the rail companies. If you have ever bothered to read anything about the Green Party before using the old generalisation that they are all about trees, you will know that they are heavily critical of the Blair government for continuing the Thatcherite tax policies of the 80's and the Greens policy is to fix the tax situation and ensure the public's money is spent where it is meant to be spent; NHS, education, transport and security.
The Green Party are also vehement opponents to globalisation and belive that it, along with the mass privatisation of the world, will reek havoc on societies the world over. On the whole, Greens are Euro-skeptics and also seek Fair Trade the world over.
If there is anything else you want to know, then please ask. But do not fall for the oldest political myth; The Green Party climb trees and don't eat anything living. I am not aa Green voter, but did vote for them in the recent elections with no other alternative. They should not be dismissed by the likes of you.
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Most enviromentalism is a middle class pursuit and this is true for the "Green" parties.
The Green Party in the UK is good on certain issues, notably a worthy opposition to the war and GM food.
Sadly, their petty bourgeios liberalism predictably lacks any kind of class analysis of society or of enviromental destruction.
Social inequality and enviromental destructions are products of either misfortune; the "nastiness" of a particular leader or of insufficient "demcratic accountability".
Their hearts are probably in the right place but this basic flaw stops them from offering any real solutions or major alternatives.
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Really the Green Party is such a waste of time. Sure they want to sort out the problems in the world, but they just want to attack the symptoms, like pollution, third world debt, starvation, etc, they are not prepared to attack the cause. The cause of all of these problems is blatantly capitalism, and the current un-democratic system, but they seem perfectly happy to keep this.
(Sorry this is just a 'vote communist' rant, but hey, thats what I think of the Greens - just a bunch of middle-class hippies who think they have a conscience.)
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i researched the green party of Canada befor the election to see if i could find out more about them.
At first they appeared to have a good platform, emphisizing on the environment but when i looked further i was rather disturbed, to find out that its origins are in Alberta (oil country) and when i looked at there monetary policy i noticed major tax cuts on the horizen, so ya they suck ass for us lefty's anyway!
p.s. the green should really stand for money, not the environment!
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I don't think the Greens are really about the money. They don't accept any special interest money from corporations and another one of their priorities is big corporations as well as more peaceful solutions to problems.
I don't know I was just wondering what you guys thought about this party because I think it's still a better alternative
The American Green Party is lame. They are basically just a toned down version of the democrats and are very pro-capitalist. The party supports capitalism in smaller economic entities insted of giant corporations. Ralph Nader himself once said "The trouble with corporate capitalism in the United States is that there is a lot of capital but very few capitalists."
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"A man who dreads trials and difficulties cannot become a revolutionary. If he is to become a revolutionary with an indomitable fighting spirit, he must be tempered in the arduous struggle from his youth. As the saying goes, early training means more than late earning." - Kim Jong Il
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Greens are about the enivornment yes. But they are also about other things. The Four Pillars are
1. Ecology (sometimes "Ecological Wisdom")
2. Social Justice
3. Grassroots Democracy
4. Non-Violence
While not always anti-cappitalist (!) most Greens are opposed to the extremes. This are shown by the idea of workers rights. It fits under 2.
In most cases Green Parties are for working with-in the system, that is they are reformitsts. But many of those that support the Greens are also radicals.
Many people do not support the idea of environment per say, but support Green parties because they have become the only voice of the mild left. Because parties such as Labor and Labour have become mass parties and moved away from their traditional socialist values.
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sounds like a bit of tall poppy syndrome on the board - people dont seem to know what the greens stand for, but dislike them because they have a fair whack of support.
and people wonder why the left is so split
anyone who gets some support and starts achieving change is immediately labelled as "petty bourgeios liberals" by people sitting in the armchairs :angry:
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Anarchists support parliamentary democracy now?
Who's achieving 'change'? People sitting in their 'armchairs'... and the 'greens' are revolutionaries?
That's because they are petty-bourgeois liberals.
"Mankind is divided into rich and poor, into property owners and exploited; and to abstract oneself from this fundamental division; and from the antagonism between poor and rich means abstracting oneself from fundamental facts." - Josef Stalin
"A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery." - Mao Tse-tung
"A man who dreads trials and difficulties cannot become a revolutionary. If he is to become a revolutionary with an indomitable fighting spirit, he must be tempered in the arduous struggle from his youth. As the saying goes, early training means more than late earning." - Kim Jong Il
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there was a time when communism didnt have much or anything to say about enviromentalism. i think the green movement is great - yeah it is not going to lead a revolution - greens come in all sorts of ideologies and sides of the spectrum.
generally they are left wing but not always. here in Aotearoa the greens spoke out against GE and against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. One greens MP has spoken at out the SW branch I am in (he is an ex member of the communist party).
When there was a march for maori rights (the foreshore and seabed) - 20,000 marched in Parliament and the greens were on parliament with a banner of support.
Still they are stuck supporting the labour governement. There were big marches here for our moritorium on GE to be held but the Labour Government didnt listen to the people and removed it.
Also we have a marijuanah legalization celebrety here (Nandor) a dreadlocked rastafarian who is a Greens party member of parliament. Yeah they are not going to change the nature of this society but here in many ways they are involved in grassroots activities and people support them.
I believe we must puch for as much as we can in parliament and when people see how limited it is and we are pushed to it that when action starts happening. We must be ready for that moment - thats what socialist groups are all about.
While at the same time as pushing through reforms by the parliamentary road we must be pushing the state to the limit with civil disobediance - protests and activist activities of all forms.
Some prefer to stick to the law - other dont believe in it - There is no one way to get to a better - more free society - we must use many methods. Greens parties are a way of getting people informed and involved in leftie and enviromental politics. Many people do not like words like communist and anarchist - but will take part in anti war and anti GE protests - that is a way to get them introduced to what we are on about.
By getting small victories we inspire people - it is a roll on effect - and face it man things are not going to get easier and prettier - With leaders like Bush and Neo-liberalism being rammed down our throats - Resistance and Action is NEEDED and will contine to be needed.
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Does no-one else think that voting for the Greens, or any other spineless bunch of hippies, is counter-productive to the leftist cause?
Voting Green is just a compromise of values. You may think that voting green is good becuase they will do some quite good stuff, but they will also do some bad stuff, like not banning capitalism, and keeping the current system. This can lead to voting for other parties that have some good ideas, compromising your idealsfurther, and next thing you know it, you'll be voting 'Labour'.
Either vote for the radical, revolutionary left, or don't vote at all! (well spoil your paper - they count that as an objection to the system
Metal up your ass
I'm glad you put the emphasis on 'dont vote at all', im not quite sure how you can have a 'revolutionary left' party which runs in elections, what are they gonna do if they win? abolish the parliament?
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uuh i never pretended to know all about the Green Party. i stated this at the beginning of the post and then said that is how i reckon most UK voters perceive them. but all your points about them still dont really endear them to me. they are still committed to working well within a capitalist system, and like i said and you all but agreed, up until the last round of elections, they pretty much only campaigned on environmental policies. i also said this had changed in the last EU and Council elections, but prior to that certainly to the average joe, they campaigned in a pretty environmentally focused way.
Person:
i would say the best political party to vote for in the UK is RESPECT. they are currently the biggest socialist party, and whilst not extremely radical, are the best we've got at the moment.... although they didnt win any seats in anything in the MEPs election or Council elections... grr
one, love, one, music, one, people, one, movement, one, heart, one, spark.
'One' by Immortal Technique
The World is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing
Albert Einstein
Bush is a 'political imbecile' and a tyrant who puts Hitler to shame.
extracts from a press release by the North Korean Foreign Ministry
Let's save the world, one by one. We'll make them believe, conform if they must. Don't question the thought, it's always been told. We'll make them believe, let's save the world.
'Save the World' by RUFiO
