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Geo Signs
Iceberg Factory
Photograph by Peter Essick
The Marr Ice Piedmont, a glacier that ends near Palmer Station on the Antarctic Peninsula, crumbles into the sea. Elsewhere on the peninsula, a section of ice shelf larger than the state of Rhode Island broke apart in early 2002. The suspected culprit for such events? Climate warming, which has hit hardest in some of Earth's coldest climes. Average winter temperatures on the Antarctic Peninsula have risen nearly 9°F (-13°C) since 1950.
Goodbye Glacier
Photograph by Peter Essick
Runoff from the Bockkogel Glacier in the Tirol region of Austria plunges down a waterfall during the Alpine summer. Throughout the Alps, glaciers have been in decline for 150 years, a result of rising global temperatures. Most scientists who study the phenomenon attribute it in part to greenhouse gases that humans have pumped into Earth's atmosphere.
Eco Signs
In Heat's Clutches
Photograph by Peter Essick
Two hawksbill turtles emerge from their eggs into the cradling palms of biologist Zandy Hillis-Starr on Buck Island near St. Croix in the Caribbean. Climate change is turning up the burners on the world's diverse ecosystems. In the case of hawksbills, higher temperatures are yielding larger percentages of female hatchlings, a phenomenon that applies to many types of reptiles. Scientists wonder what long-term effect such skewed gender numbers will have on endangered hawksbills and other sea turtle species worldwide.
High and Dry
Photograph by Peter Essick
Parched corn stalks surround Kela Gelo, a farmer in the southern Ethiopian village of Buya. His field barely produced any ears this year, and none last year. Recent studies project that while climate change may increase agricultural yield in countries at high latitudes, it will hamper crops in nations like Ethiopia that lie closer to the Equator. In such countries—many of them poor—forecasts for hotter weather and increased drought suggest a rocky future.
Indian Renassiance
In Step With the Past
Photograph by Maggie Steber
Keeping the rituals of their ancestors alive, male members of the Indian Club at Alchesay High School in Whiteriver, Arizona, rehearse the White Mountain Apache crown dance, in which mountain spirits banish evil and bring good fortune. Rosalind Armstrong-Garcia, the group's sponsor, believes the club fills a gap. "Some of these kids come from Christian homes, go to church, and learn those traditions, but not the Apache traditions," she says. "This is our heritage, and we have to keep it going."
Keeping the Faith
Photograph by Maggie Steber
His drum piercing the wintry silence of Green Grass, South Dakota, Chief Arvol Looking Horse prays over the land of his Lakota people. At the age of 12 he acquired the title of 19th Generation Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe, a position that brings with it the duty of spiritual adviser. In addition to conducting rites for his fellow Lakota, Looking Horse travels the world to take part in prayer services for world peace. In March Chief Looking Horse joined other spiritual leaders on a prayer mission to Iraq.
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YES。 BUT ,TELL ME WHAT IS “US LIFE STELY”?
There's the key sentence in your massive post, kidicarus20.
All the rest is "old news".
But why do "some experts" "fear" this? What do they mean by "devastating"?
Is it (drumroll) the end of the world?
That's also "old news". *yawns*
Just what the Iraqis needed, no doubt. Things have been "so much better" there since March.
You know, this part of your post is really irrelevant to the thread you started...if I wanted to be a hard-ass about it, I'd delete it.
But that phrase "spiritual leader" (social parasite) is not one to be lightly dismissed.
Has it occurred to you to wonder why a mainstream and supposedly "scientific" publication treats that garbage with respect?
Meanwhile, I think it's a real shame the Iraqis didn't greet those "spiritual leaders" with the headman's ax!
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Just out of interest Redstar, do you deny climate change outright, do you believe current claims are widely exaggerated, or do you merely think that global warming,as we see it now, is a natural and inevitable phenomenom?
"all the people in my books i read are men who fuck each other do drugs and kill people fuck the dead body and eat it. but dissmembering a body to make another is just as cool. "- Captain anarchy
I ate capt. Anarchy, as he stole my thunder! No longer will you hear some bizarre rambling coming from the self assigned Captain of utter non-sense
- T_SP......because he's worth it.
Referring to the Commie Club!...
This very real limitation of the productive forces, both static and dynamic, demands at any given time the most suitable environment for it's advancement. - Gent, head of the RA...aka the People's Front of Judea
ONTO STREET - The immortal HUQIAO
Of course global warming is real, who is denying that?
I think the biggest threat of global warming is nature itself. I think the only logical solution to the problem would be to get rid of everything besides humans, problem solved right? No nature, no problems.
I mean hell, hundreds of thousands of years ago nature globally warmed itself, and all without the help of us evil beings. You know, I never really liked the sound of an ice age either, a little chilly for my comfort.
Of course our temperatures are warming, this is a given cycle in nature; shit happens I guess.
I find it funny that what humans pollute in todays society is no where near as bad as the pollution during the Industrial revolution (1800's). No where near as bad.
Yet don't you find it funny that in the 1960's scientific studies found that the globe was actually in a stage of global cooling; yes cooling. This means that only forty years ago we were on the death ride into another ice age. Now just forty years later, with major decreases in our pollution rates, we are on a death ride into global WARMING (echoes).
Can't we make up our mind? We're cooling, no wait, we're warming. Butter is bad for you, no wait no it's margarine. No wait, now it's butter again.
Throw me a fucking bone here, but I'll be damned if we are creating the Apocolypse.
If you would like me to bring up all of the statistics in comparison to man made pollution versus the eruption of one volcano, erupting only one time, I'd love to.
How about the extreme amount of carbon being let out of our oceans each and every day? Should we start a ban and drain the water from our oceans so that we can literally get to the bottom of the carbon problem?
I do not deny the effect of global warming. In fact I fully support the idea that we are in fact truly going through a phase of global warming. But honestly here, you don't really think that our hair dryers, cans of whipping cream, and lawn mower exhaust are the only and major factors do you?
Global warming existed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years before one human soul even existed.
And now all of this sudden we are to blame for natures fury?
What's next; we all need to stop walking as the mass vibrations cause the plates underground to shift causing earthquakes?
Actually, I anticipate that day. I'll have even more excuse to sit on my ass all day polluting with my smoke, EZ Cheese can, and the electricity used for my comfort.
What do you suppose the solution is? All of society stops?
Wait, here's the common liberal answer: We all need fuel-efficent-battery-operated-super-shnazzy-electric-fancy-hybrid cars.
That'd sure do the trick wouldn't it?
Well how do you think electricity is made? Burning fossil fuels.
What do you do with all of those toxic batteries used to run that hybrid car? Should we just throw them all in a ditch and forget about?
Yeah, good idea.
I don't know, but i just tend to blame it all on capitalism. The fucking sacred word of "P.r.o.g.r.e.s.s." ~
DOWN WITH JAPANESE IMPERIALISM!
Link in RevLeft.
The Left needs to spank out a number of armchair theorists and kids who cloak themselves with Marxism as excuse for their problems. Exclusion is needed when the cause is hampered. We are supposed to be the examples and persuaders. Assume responsibility, fuckwit!
Full Text: China's Peaceful Development Road
(Official White Paper)
Link.
I don't know, but i just tend to blame it all on capitalism
If that isn't the most ignorant thing I've heard all day..
..because in a Marxist society nature will suddenly change itself.![]()
AQ,
I hope that doesn't ignorant.
In Marxist societies (the one I aspire) will have full and effective propaganda on enviromental awreneess, as a country, collective action deter indusrial pollution to a manageable extent. Produecion will rationalise itself with sustainable development , just like China's "Green GNP" policy right now. ..... Ithis is what i wanna say.
I didn't mean to say that the NATURE will feel the roaring of Leftism and adjust itself well to suit these noble people.h34r:
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As regards to nature's spontaneity, I am no scientist, and even I am, it is something that can only be studied, but not remedied if there are already culminated dangerous potentials. My stress would lie on deterring those man-made affects that our habitat is suffocating from.
DOWN WITH JAPANESE IMPERIALISM!
Link in RevLeft.
The Left needs to spank out a number of armchair theorists and kids who cloak themselves with Marxism as excuse for their problems. Exclusion is needed when the cause is hampered. We are supposed to be the examples and persuaders. Assume responsibility, fuckwit!
Full Text: China's Peaceful Development Road
(Official White Paper)
Link.
David Bellamy for starters!
But, more seriously, a group of folks in the UK recently put together a list of some 3,000 or so "scientists" who, so they say, consider Global Warming to be a nothing short of a myth. Admittedly these "scientists" did include the likes of Geri Haliwell (and a few others of that ilk), it's at least clear, however, that some respected scientists are willing to deny Global Warming outright. Despite the fact that fish from the Med now occasionally are beginning to frequent the coast of the British midlands.
Aside from your comic pseudo-suggestions and implicit accusations that people who give a damn about climate change are just a bunch of Liberals, there are some ways to actually solve the problem (however bad it will eventually turn out to be). Among them, of course, more rigorous adoption of renewable energy, wind energy in particular.
"all the people in my books i read are men who fuck each other do drugs and kill people fuck the dead body and eat it. but dissmembering a body to make another is just as cool. "- Captain anarchy
I ate capt. Anarchy, as he stole my thunder! No longer will you hear some bizarre rambling coming from the self assigned Captain of utter non-sense
- T_SP......because he's worth it.
Referring to the Commie Club!...
This very real limitation of the productive forces, both static and dynamic, demands at any given time the most suitable environment for it's advancement. - Gent, head of the RA...aka the People's Front of Judea
ONTO STREET - The immortal HUQIAO
there are already some threads where I have argued against the myth of "global warming" so i wont argue anymore here but go to envirotruth.org for info on this "threat" is really nothing.
How can people say that global warming isn't a threat (or is only a myth!when you see the devastation that comes as a result of it? Take for exapmle the melting permafrost in Alaska which supposrts roads, bulidings and shit like that. Nevermind those melting glaciers that make the sea level rise each year.
Will you please?
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Meanwhile, I do think that "end of the world" scenarios are reactionary.
They actually encourage passivity and an attitude of "nothing matters, we're all fucked!"
Why bother to develop more efficient solar cells or build more wind-power generators or design truly fuel-efficient autos? We might just as well be as reckless as we can...since "doom" is "just around the corner no matter what we do".
In addition, I also think "doom scenarios" are created and/or exaggerated by some "scientists" because that's where the money is. The "worse" they can make things look, the better their chances for a grant-renewal to further research the "problem".
If some scientist actually discovered a real "doom scenario", why wouldn't he retire and spend the rest of his life hanging out at topless bars? I mean, what would be the point of science since humanity "is about to descend into savagery or become extinct"?
And finally there's this: if Marx was right, the working class in the advanced capitalist countries is going to see a sharp decline in its standard-of-living over the rest of this century.
That has obvious revolutionary implications and the capitalist class "needs" "explanations" that will get it "off the hook".
What better excuse than the "environment"? The reason you can't drive your car anymore or heat your house or even have enough to eat is "environmental catastrophe". It has "nothing" to do with capitalism.
Sure it doesn't.
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A site about communist ideas
Global warming, if real, is no threat to us. We will adapt.
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Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker - Mikhail Bakunin
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains - Karl Marx
Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value - R. Buckminster Fuller
The important thing is not to be human but to be humane - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
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You are the most bourgeois thinker I've ever encountered in my entire life.
"The dogs in Pavlov's laboratory had been conditioned for hundreds of hours. They were fully trained and domesticated. Then there was a flood in the basement. And you know what happened? They forgot all of their training in the blink of an eye. We should be able to do at least that well. I am staking my life on it..."--John Zerzan
More abuse from the primitivist? I expected nothing more.
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Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker - Mikhail Bakunin
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains - Karl Marx
Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value - R. Buckminster Fuller
The important thing is not to be human but to be humane - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Check out my speculative fiction project: NOVA MUNDI
Global warming is real. The extent is what really is the issue.
Scientists who actually work in the area (physicist don't count for some reason) generally agree that it is happening, it is a problem, and we can do something about it before it gets worse.
So the reason scientists aren't hanging out in topless bars is because they think we can do something to slow or even reverse the process, such as cut the huge amount of CO<subscript>2</subscript> being put in the air every year by such things as
1) man made forest fires in areas such as South-East Asia and South America.
2) coal burning power stations
3) cars, trucks, planes and ships
4) etc.
5) natural events
1 is hard, 2 is easy (use solar, small scale hydro, wind, gas even (which while still producing CO<subscript>2</subscript> doesn't produce as much)), 3 is easy (use trains and buses, sail ships) and 4 is hard depending on what it is. We can of course ignore 5 (we have to). (Also scientists generally keep looking for a solution right up until the end.)
How we know the globe is warming?
The reefs are dying. Coral Reef bleaching is caused by an increase in the sea temperature.
The glaciers are melting. It is hard to explain this one with out pointing to an increase in the temperature around these areas.
And a few other points that should point out to even non scientists in the field that something is happening, and it isn't nice.
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/climate/
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopic...climatefaq.jsp
http://www.climatehotmap.org/
I wouldn't use the term "reactionary" myself. I prefer the word "pointless".
If, as many "end of the world" theorists say, we are "doomed", then we might as well get on with life until we are all inevitably wiped out. In fact, to ignore the problem for the time being might even be the most srationally sensible thing to do.
On the other hand, whilst climate change may not kill us all, I think it could potentially cause enough damage for us to be noticeably less "well off" in general. As such, to ignore the problem altogether, is folly.
Perhaps you're right. But there are at least some scientists who are not in the pocket of big business, yet are still warning of climate change and its damaging consequences.
I don't think anyone can reasonably attribute all theories surrounding global warming to "corporate propaganda".
"all the people in my books i read are men who fuck each other do drugs and kill people fuck the dead body and eat it. but dissmembering a body to make another is just as cool. "- Captain anarchy
I ate capt. Anarchy, as he stole my thunder! No longer will you hear some bizarre rambling coming from the self assigned Captain of utter non-sense
- T_SP......because he's worth it.
Referring to the Commie Club!...
This very real limitation of the productive forces, both static and dynamic, demands at any given time the most suitable environment for it's advancement. - Gent, head of the RA...aka the People's Front of Judea
ONTO STREET - The immortal HUQIAO
In a communist society there is more time to pay attention to the enviromen, making it more of a priority. As opposed to now, when everyone is too buisy to really care about each other, much less the enviroment.
You tell Moses to make bricks without straw,
Now he tells you to make cities without bricks!
About this:
I don't know, but i just tend to blame it all on capitalism
If that isn't the most ignorant thing I've heard all day..
To blame it on capitalism would blame the biggest contributer, but it wouldn't blame all of them. Successful capitalists tend to let nature hit the cutting room floor in their greed driven money grubbing. Just think about it, people were willing to club baby seals to death in specicidal proportions just to gain revenue via fur coats. In a communist society, there wouldn't be such an unchecked rape of nature because of corperations, but there would still be some significant problems. While the issue wouldn't be gone, it would be more easily dealt with.
Of course it's real.
It's been real since the last ice age.
At the rate the oceans are presently rising, we will have wiped out the worst parts of the Jersey Shore in around one or two hundred thousand years.![]()
That's not good enough; if we try real hard, we should be able to knock out Hoboken in only one hundred thousand years or so.
Keep those CFC's flowing people; no one needs Hoboken anyway.
All of you "global warming" people really need to get your facts in order.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein