ANTS!!!!!!!! The Communists and Empire

[Comrade Zeke]

Ants, fuck well want can I say there annyoing, they eat all the food that I leave on my table and they bite you when you try to destoryed their home base. And well Ants are the smartest things after Human beings in the world, and will someday rule the world, Let me explain

1.Ants are like the most Communist Insectoid Animals that are alive, they are super smart and they are like Communists because they have a regular dictatorship of the Politeriant, a Centeralized system where everything in the Hive is owned by ALL THE ANTS not just one ant. Everyone has a job from birth and everyone really never complains because well your Ants and your living with Comradeship in the Colony. You help the queen she makes more of you, you help each other build the Hive, fight for the Hive, get food for hive screw around with the queen for hours and then die and well its just a Communal Basted Society. Eveyone has a job no one quits and everyone has everything the need. I don't even know if Ants go to bed.

2. For every human there are about 40 Billion Ants. So there are........There are 240 Hundred Million Trillion Ants in the world. Kinda big number. Finnaly when the Human Race cease to exist, there will be 850 BaZillion, Ants will become the dominate Animal in the world and will be like un-disuputed rulers, also Communistic Oreiented.

3. Ants can't eat a Carcase of an Elephent in matter of two hours. And well Ants will probably end up becoming so smart that they will start to cultivate crops.

4. Ants are Smart its really creepy, They can swarm, they can wipe out other insect populations, did you know that over 100 diffrent speices of Insect have been destoryed by Ant investations. Ants build huge hives that can house billions of Ants, The queen controls several Minds of several Ants but everyone works for the intrest of the Soceity. These Killer Ants can form a ball of Ants in a Flood and can survive any natural disaster.

5.They are 50 diffrent spieces of Ants what if they end up working together

6. Finnally they have one of the biggest population in the world.

People have said Cockroachs will be the ones to survive are wars of Nuclear Misles, I don't think a Cockroach can build a subterrainan Colony 40 feets under ground much like a bombsheleter .
So when Humans finally start to end because of Armegedan, Nuclear war, a Plauge, AIDS, low Birth Rates, A huge Meator hitting the Earth and blakening the sky for days on end, global warrming *Ants will be able to swim* Super Famine the Ants will thrive on our rotting meat. So its ok if the Revolution never happends, it will happen eveduantly in form of one of the Smallest Critters the world has ever seen,
The Empire of the Ants a Communistic Related Society.

Sorry about spelling
Zeke

[Essential Insignificance]

I have always thought that Ant's had the ideal natural community; where all live peacefully, compassionately, benevolently and for the good of society.

But like you said, kind of ...I think; there is a huge division of labor amid the ant colonies.

Then again, although there is a division of labor, they all work equally and receive equal nourishment, I think. So really there isn't.

Ownership is not really in question here, rather that all work for the queen.

I believe that social hierarchy consists of the Queen-- who is obviously on the top --and then there are the workers, collectors and finally the army.

Evidently there is still a "state" that asserts it's authority in colonel endeavors.

Then again they properly decide on it equally, and don't follow commands.

I think that it would be more appropriate to call ant colonies--socialism.

I have no real, concrete knowledge of ants, the above are all guesses.

[Essential Insignificance]

If there is a Queen ant, would that not imply monarchy?

Technically yes...what a conundrum!

Hmm...maybe a socialistic monarchy

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

once when I was about 8 years old I took a bunch of black ants and dumped them off at the red ants ant-hill and watched them duke it out. The Red Army won!!!

[gaf]

a french writer did actually compare mankind to ants good book
Les fourmis de Bernard Werber.
http://www.bernardwerber.com/intro_fr.html

[Comrade Zeke]

Yeah mabey a Socalistic Monarchy or a Queen that is very genoraus but its like the Smurfs being Communists the Ants work for the Good of all the other Ants in their colony and without the queen well they really wouldn't reproduce. So they need one, imagaine being a Drone and your all Female and you never get screw the whole 3, or 4 years of your hard working life. THat would be horrible! But thats how Ant soceity works. And then if your a male you just screw all day with the queen and you end up dieing. lol. But the Ants must be like the ultimet Socalistic Monarchy cheatures. Bees might be me Capitalist Monarchy and well the Wasps there just a bunch of Fasciasts! While you know the Termits well......I guess we could say they are Anarchists.

[James]

In the first section of White's "The once and future king" (famous king arthur book), merlyn turns Wart (arthur) into different animals, to learn different lessons. Each type of animal has its typical characteristics, the idea being that wart will learn the relevant lessons. With a flock of geese its how to work as a team and be a leader etc etc.

Anyhow, White's description of an Ant colony seemed to me to be a simple, animal farm style, dig at soviet russia (i think it was written in the early 30s). He raised some points that have been raised here.

Although i'd like to point out that ants have one job for life - and thats it (not very communist according to marx)

There is one leader

There is a structured feudal society: queen at the top, and workers at the bottom




I'm not sure what the point of this thread was...

[gaf]

Originally posted by James@Aug 29 2004, 10:34 AM
I'm not sure what the point of this thread was...

don't have to be sure.just follow the stream...and you did ...how pointless it was

[Rasta Sapian]

I LOVE ANTS, and yes, they are very much a commie insect! strong, hard working, equal, they share, possess no material possesions, they are not sex crazed at least not totally because they are all commrads of the queen for she is the only one to give birth, and she is whom they will protect, along with the community (ant hill) this film evokes utilitarianism!! watch it!!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

In the wise words of Canikickit:
I guess you guys didn't realise that ants are insects.
Not very communist, eh?

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Comrade Blackberry@Aug 29 2004, 07:07 AM
If there is a Queen ant, would that not imply monarchy?

Is it a monarchy just because we want to perceive it as one?

[Raisa]

Originally posted by James@Aug 29 2004, 10:34 AM
Although i'd like to point out that ants have one job for life - and thats it (not very communist according to marx)

There is one leader

There is a structured feudal society: queen at the top, and workers at the bottom




I'm not sure what the point of this thread was...

Who is the leader and how do they lead?
What seperates the queen from the other workers, other then her having a different job then them?
And how many other jobs can ants possibly do anyway? I dont think they have alot of choice making skills because Im not sure that they have alot of choices to make.

I like to study ants working when their walking around and stuff, how much of a language do you think they have?

I notice that when ants pass each other they feel the person going in the opposite direction with their antennas. Why do you think their doing that?
And how do they all know what to do ?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Raisa@Sep 8 2004, 08:57 PM
Is it a monarchy just because we want to perceive it as one?

You're right.
We just call that ant the "queen" because she's the only one of her sort and the only one who lays eggs.

Just because we call one of them "queen" doesn't mean that there's a hierarchy. But that can be said for a lot of animals, but we just don't know.

Besides, they're not communists, because communism is a result of the inevitable material conditions that will arise from the shambles of a decadent capitalist class-society. For something to be called communism, the proletarian classes must wield power democratically and autonomously through a centralized governing body. This only applies to humans.

And it's not only the name I have a quarrel with, ants can't even understand what's happening. They do not make decisions for themselves. They just follow the ant in front of them and find food, all commanded by instinct. They don't actually make conscious decisions. You can't be a communist while having absolutely no class consciousness.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by RedZeppelin@Sep 9 2004, 02:11 AM
. They don't actually make conscious decisions. You can't be a communist while having absolutely no class consciousness.

Ants have no classes. So there is no class contiousness to have. Their all just working together and its always been that way.
Ants do not have alot of decisions to make, because the selflessness of the hard working ant eliminates any competing option. They arive at their work, and this is what needs to be done in order for the colony to survive and it is that simple.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Okay. But communsim still refers to a stage in the social evolution of humanity. Ants can't be commies.

[FatFreeMilk]

I think the only way humans can understand animals is by comparing their behavior to ourselves. That is rather piontless don't you think? Ants are ants. That's it. They work like that cause it's how they can survive. To say that they have characteristics of a communist society is allright I guess. Just don't get all caught up in this Ants are communists! thing. First they are insects.

Oh fuck it.

[che's long lost daughter]

If humans would be like ants, would there be a Queen Human and Male Humans who would mate with the queen to have more ants and after they mate, the Male humans would die because they are of no use anymore?

But well, I agree an ant colony is a perfect example of a communist-socialist state.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I contend that the way ants are ordered socially has more in common with a fascist society than a communist one. Consider this:

At the top, you have the absolute ruler, the queen. all the others in the colony dedicate their lives to serving and protecting the Queen.

Next, you have the drones, the pampered upper class, analagous to party members.

Then you have the extensive warrior class, the soldiers, who protect the hive and it's Queen with their lives.

Now the worker ants, all female. They do all the work and raise the grubs.

Finally the Grubs. These are the 'children'. They are raised from birth to their dedicated station (Worker or soldier, or if lucky, Queen)

It doesn't seem very communist to me.

[DRS]

lol there is no class in a Ant society, you are really overlooking the intelligence of Ants.

there is the queen and then there is the "mindless drones" nothing else