Iran Warns of Preemptive Strike on American Forces

[Guerrilla22]

<_< al-Jazeera is the Arab world equivalent of Fox News, I wouldn&#39;t take anything they report too seriously. Anyways, say the US was thinking about invading Iran, what would they invade with, all the extra troops they have avaible right now?

And what would Iran launch a pre-emptive strike on American forces with, all their F-15s and F-14s that don&#39;t work? Or maybe with all those great MiG 29s they bought from Russia, cause you know, those planes did real well for Iraq against American air power in the first gulf war.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I simply don&#39;t think that the US would be worried anyway. Being that our troops are spread a little thin for the moment anyway, any attempt of aggression by Iran on American interests will likely be met with plentiful and relatively indiscriminate airstrikes and carpet bombing, not a conventional land invasion.

The US won&#39;t even concern itself with occupation in Iran, there is not enough interest in it, and, any attempt at preemtion on their part would render them worthy of nothing but complete and utter eradacation of those pitiful undesirables.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial@Aug 20 2004, 09:30 AM
I simply don&#39;t think that the US would be worried anyway. Being that our troops are spread a little thin for the moment anyway, any attempt of aggression by Iran on American interests will likely be met with plentiful and relatively indiscriminate airstrikes and carpet bombing, not a conventional land invasion.

The US won&#39;t even concern itself with occupation in Iran, there is not enough interest in it, and, any attempt at preemtion on their part would render them worthy of nothing but complete and utter eradacation of those pitiful undesirables.

Yeah because I am sure that the rest of the arab world is going to sit back and do nothing at that point.

If Iran attacks America, which I seriously doubt they will that isn&#39;t even close to the point of the news article, I doubt that the arab world would let thinly spread America attack a 3rd arab country. It would be an utter shit storm.

The whole point of this article is this. America has opened a pandoras box by claiming its right to do a pre-emptive attack on Iraq. The world community said, as well as many of us on this board, "Do that and other countries are going to be able to make the same claim for their intentions".

Well Iran is using the term pre-emptive now, and they have every right, now that, that pandora&#39;s box has been opened. They have a legit argument that they think America is going to attack them in the future; especially with all the hostile diplomacy with the unilateral acting America.

Iran is just the first to use the term "pre-emptive" back against America, except N. Korea to use it as well. And they have every right at this point, since America said, "there is a future possibility of danger to the US from Iraq we must act pre-emptively to remove this future danger."

Whatch ya gonna do?

As far as that last statement.

complete and utter eradacation of those pitiful undesirables.

That is pretty much nuclear bomb talk there. We will see how many countries will trade with America after it completely and utterly eradicates opposing forces.

Oh and don&#39;t forget, America is on the back door step of Russia and China at this point, two countries who just very recently signed a friendship pact (something they didn&#39;t do through 50 years of cold war). Iran has decent warm ties to both, I&#39;d like to see how that played out.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Exploited Class@Aug 20 2004, 07:31 PM
Yeah because I am sure that the rest of the arab world is going to sit back and do nothing at that point.

If Iran attacks America, which I seriously doubt they will that isn&#39;t even close to the point of the news article, I doubt that the arab world would let thinly spread America attack a 3rd arab country. It would be an utter shit storm.

The whole point of this article is this. America has opened a pandoras box by claiming its right to do a pre-emptive attack on Iraq. The world community said, as well as many of us on this board, "Do that and other countries are going to be able to make the same claim for their intentions".

Well Iran is using the term pre-emptive now, and they have every right, now that, that pandora&#39;s box has been opened. They have a legit argument that they think America is going to attack them in the future; especially with all the hostile diplomacy with the unilateral acting America.

Iran is just the first to use the term "pre-emptive" back against America, except N. Korea to use it as well. And they have every right at this point, since America said, "there is a future possibility of danger to the US from Iraq we must act pre-emptively to remove this future danger."

Whatch ya gonna do?

As far as that last statement.

That is pretty much nuclear bomb talk there. We will see how many countries will trade with America after it completely and utterly eradicates opposing forces.

Oh and don&#39;t forget, America is on the back door step of Russia and China at this point, two countries who just very recently signed a friendship pact (something they didn&#39;t do through 50 years of cold war). Iran has decent warm ties to both, I&#39;d like to see how that played out.

Yeah because I am sure that the rest of the arab world is going to sit back and do nothing at that point.

Probably not, but neither will US allies (including Israel) if America is simply defending itself from an Iranian attack, which will be, politically, a much different and less controversial military operation than the liberation of Iraq. So, what we could end up having is a conventional (hopefuly) WWIII, where most of the middle east is pitted against the US and western allies in conventional open-battlefield combat. Where would your betting money go in that contest? Not to mention that the US can draft, build, and mobilize very quickly, essentially growing to meet demand if it has to, which it can easily do with the support of the US populace, which it will easily have if it is attacked by Iran.

If Iran attacks America, which I seriously doubt they will that isn&#39;t even close to the point of the news article, I doubt that the arab world would let thinly spread America attack a 3rd arab country. It would be an utter shit storm.

Wouldn&#39;t Iran be just the 2nd country attacked, or am I missing something? But yes, I agree, things would get hotter than they already are.

The whole point of this article is this. America has opened a pandoras box by claiming its right to do a pre-emptive attack on Iraq. The world community said, as well as many of us on this board, "Do that and other countries are going to be able to make the same claim for their intentions".

Hey, I can&#39;t say that concept is not fair, I&#39;m just saying that if you want to enact a policy of preemption, your mouth better write checks that your ass can cash. I just don&#39;t think Iran fits this bill. America never stated that it had a monopoly on preemption, notr did I think it assumed so.

Well Iran is using the term pre-emptive now, and they have every right, now that, that pandora&#39;s box has been opened. They have a legit argument that they think America is going to attack them in the future; especially with all the hostile diplomacy with the unilateral acting America.

Again, thats fine, if they make their choice to act on it, they should be ready to face the consequences.

Iran is just the first to use the term "pre-emptive" back against America, except N. Korea to use it as well. And they have every right at this point, since America said, "there is a future possibility of danger to the US from Iraq we must act pre-emptively to remove this future danger."

Again, I agree, no one has a monopoly on preemption, just be ready to back your play and face the heat.

Whatch ya gonna do?

Likely turn Iran into a parking lot if they wish to engage the US offensively.

As far as that last statement.

That is pretty much nuclear bomb talk there. We will see how many countries will trade with America after it completely and utterly eradicates opposing forces.

I didn&#39;t mean for it to sound like nuclear bomb talk, more like getting rid of surplus conventional ordnance inventory en masse, targeting military and vital infrastructure only, of course.

Oh and don&#39;t forget, America is on the back door step of Russia and China at this point, two countries who just very recently signed a friendship pact (something they didn&#39;t do through 50 years of cold war). Iran has decent warm ties to both, I&#39;d like to see how that played out

.

America actually has decent warm ties to both nowadays as well, and we both know that it is ostensible that China and Russia each knowt it is more important to, and have more investment and interest in, maintaining and building a relationship with the USA than with Iran.

[Guerrilla22]

I don&#39;t get why this assertion has suddenly become so popular on the left recently. Personally I pin it on subconscious xenophobia. Fear of the unknown, cause you know what? There&#39;s no way you know enough about Al-Jazeera to make that statement&#33; Listen to Al-Jazeera&#39;s news broadcasts, in Arabic, then come talk about it.

<_< I probaly have watched more al-Jazeera than anyone on this site, unless there&#39;s someone on here from the mid-east, which there might be. We had a satellite at my parents house and we got al-Jazeera, I had been, untill I moved out this year, watching it for almost 3 years&#33;

True, I had to read the english translations, and I&#39;m not sure who was providing those translations, but the conclusion I&#39;ve came to is that the station is nothing more than Fox news, with an Arab twist. True, there is a bit more substance to it than Fox News, but its one sided, biased and often reports things that turn out not to be true. For example, early last year they reported that Saddam had sucessfully made it across the Syrian boarder and had been granted amnesty by the syrian government.

:angry: It pisses me off, when people come to conclusions about me, without having a clue as to where I&#39;m coming from&#33;

u&#39;re pissed off because Guerrilla22 belongs to the class of leftists known as the petty bourgeois. Just ask him.

Newbie&#33; And you know me that well, right? I&#39;m not sure how you know me that well, since you&#39;ve been at this site for only five minutes&#33; You&#39;re just mad because I&#39;m telling you what you are saying is shit, which it is. You may think you know international politics, but you are either oblivious to, or are overlooking several key facts:
1. US forces are overstretched, and those few forces that are avaible are in the middle of being re-aligned.

2. The DoD has been way over budget every year since Bush took office, to go to war with Iran would require a special supplement to the defense budget, which I assure you, won&#39;t happen.

[Comrade Zeke]

why does everyone always talk about Iran when it comes to being powerful, I mean is it really the most powerful Country in the middle east? I always thought Saudi Arabia or Turkey had the biggest armies and the most money. Iran has a huge army don&#39;t get me wrong but they are armed with odated Soveit wheapons and MIGs. Though......I have always thought that Soveit wheapons are vasily suppior to American Capitalist Crap
Sorry about spelling
Zeke

[Vinny Rafarino]

Even your hero, John (inflicts his own wounds to obtain medals) Kerry

What would make this pig "our hero"?

You are one confused imperialist; get used to the OI son.

[Guerrilla22]

assume that you were raised by hypocritical ex-hippies who have sense made it into the upper-middle class. They felt guilty about their successes and how they sold out to the capitalist machine. Therefore, they indocrinated you with their failed political thinking and then sent you to their alma madre, the University of Colorado, home to a disproportionately large number of potheads, deadites, bums, and hippies. You probably drive around in your car, complete with your redefeat Bush bumber stickers, smoke the "dank", and generally contribute nothing to society but your hot air. Being sheltered from any real hard work or tribulations in your life has afforded you the luxury of thinking that you&#39;re somehow better than everyone else, and this somehow makes you more politically enlightened than the rest of us. You are the epitome of American liberalism in the middle class, which by definition, makes you part of what Marx dubbed the petit-bourgeoisie. Perhaps the only thing I can agree with Marx on is his disgust for your type. Go ahead, tell me I&#39;m wrong. I know better.

You know about as much about me, as you do international politics. My parents aren&#39;t Unv. of Colorado Alumni, I got into the school on a full scholarship, I don&#39;t own a car, and I work at Subway part time to pay the rent. I don&#39;t sit around and smoke weed, I study political science at one of the nation&#39;s very best public universities. I worked my ass off to get into the school and I&#39;m there because I had a 3.8 GPA in community college and because I&#39;m intelligent, not because I&#39;m the benafactor of rich parents like quite a few CU students.

I&#39;m not sure how you know what the Unv.of Colorado is like because judging by your assnine remarks, you are far too uneducated to be able to get into a school like that. You&#39;re not a Marxist, you&#39;re an imperialist, with all your remarks about the US needing to attack Iran. Why? Because you buy into the bullshit rhetoric that Iran is building weapons of mass destruction and is out to attack the US, just as GWB told you.

Personally I pin it on subconscious xenophobia. Fear of the unknown

I&#39;m sorry CyM, but I&#39;m going to have to laugh at you here, I&#39;m from Dearborn, Michigan, home to North America&#39;s largest Arab population. I was one of three white people at my high school, the rest were all Arab. All my friends and neighbors growing up were Arab too. They also think that al-Jazeera is extremely biased.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Guerrilla22@Aug 21 2004, 11:11 PM
Because you buy into the bullshit rhetoric that Iran is building weapons of mass destruction and is out to attack the US, just as GWB told you.

Indeed, the IAEA is a tool of KKKapitalist propaganda&#33;