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Don't spam, and you won't get trouble from me, I think that's a pretty reasonable compromise. Don't you?
Uh, no, not at all. In vietnam, we never laid seige to hanoi (by our choice), we never captured their regime leader, we never transfered sovereignty to a new government, and 65,000 american casualties compared to a mere approximate 900 in GW2 to date?
Appleas and oranges. One of the most ignorant leftist comments I've seen here is tht "this will be another vietnam". Again, look at the above facts
this is pure, unsubstantiated B.S.
Thats my point exactly, its not going to happen.
What? How so?
How many billions have been spent on this war? That is not at all unfeasable.
"Turn Changchun into a city of death" -PLA Field Marshall Lin Biao, May 30, 1948
"When we heard outside the city that so many people had died of hunger, we weren't too shocked. We had been in and out of piles of corpses and our hearts had hardened... But when we entered the city and saw what it was like, we were devastated. Many of us wept. A lot of us said: We're supposed to be fighting for the poor, but of all the dead here, how many are the rich? Which of them are Nationalists? Aren't they all poor people?"
-PLA veteran, at the siege of Changchun, 1948
Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Chairman!
For a claim as audacious as this, the burden of proof is on you. Even most leftists here don't have any sympathy for the ba'athist regime. Of course, your Soviet flag avatar indicates that you are obviously a supporter of brutal regimes.
You present your argument, and I will be happy to address it.
Even if it was, so what? Its not one nation's job to feed the world anyway. We are already the world's leading exporter of aid and relief.
Besides, there are 6 billion people in the world. 3 (or at least 2, or even 1) meals day for 18 years for 6 billion?
That would be at least 108 billion meals, as much as 325 billion . Are they less than $1.00 each?
Please advise how that computes.
Well certainly feeding the world for the next 18 years would have been better than starting a war that won't do anything anyways.
Yes, probably. Most of those charities where you can give money to starving kids seem to cost less than a dollar a day, and that aparently gets them an education as well. Besides, if you bought 325 billion meals, I think you'd get some sort of discount.
But seriously, how much has been pent on the war?
I thought the pres recently asked for 90 billion more.
"Turn Changchun into a city of death" -PLA Field Marshall Lin Biao, May 30, 1948
"When we heard outside the city that so many people had died of hunger, we weren't too shocked. We had been in and out of piles of corpses and our hearts had hardened... But when we entered the city and saw what it was like, we were devastated. Many of us wept. A lot of us said: We're supposed to be fighting for the poor, but of all the dead here, how many are the rich? Which of them are Nationalists? Aren't they all poor people?"
-PLA veteran, at the siege of Changchun, 1948
Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Chairman!
I think that the Iraqi people will significantly benefit from this in the long run.
Not only that, but Quadafi discontinued his weapons program, and even conceded that he was bowing to Washington in the face of all of this, so it has already had cascading positive effects.
Even though their real growth rate is negative 20 percent?
"Turn Changchun into a city of death" -PLA Field Marshall Lin Biao, May 30, 1948
"When we heard outside the city that so many people had died of hunger, we weren't too shocked. We had been in and out of piles of corpses and our hearts had hardened... But when we entered the city and saw what it was like, we were devastated. Many of us wept. A lot of us said: We're supposed to be fighting for the poor, but of all the dead here, how many are the rich? Which of them are Nationalists? Aren't they all poor people?"
-PLA veteran, at the siege of Changchun, 1948
Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Chairman!
Al Capone was a capitalist, albiet a murderous one. I could just as easilly claim that he represents 'capitalist though', despite the fact that most capitalists probably don't agree with the same philosophical ideals that Al Capone had.
No; by 'necessity', the Communist Manifesto states that communism is 'stateless'. You can go ahead and believe that communism is authoritarian in nature all you want - just don't expect anyone who doesn't share the same views as you to believe a word that you are saying.
I don't have any board authority here. I'm afraid I can't do that.
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"If you're talking about Xvall, I think it is some date when the world is supposed to get sucked into some blackhole or some crazy shit like that." - Fist of Blood
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you can't countthe last 12 months. Wait until the re-establishment is there.
BTW, I think your claim that occupation troops are killing Iraqi resistance fighters at a fantastic proportion is rather misleading, since the occupation just bombs and sends in tanks while guys who work for companies like Halliberton do all the dirty work. You see, when a Halliberton employee dies, they are not counted as a coalition casualty. So the US can give the rather misleading impression that thousands of Iraqi resistance fighters are dieing while we have lost only a thousand actual soldiers. Since people working for the private sector are not considered military by the books, the president can send them where he wants, when he wants at his discretion. They do however, cost far more, suffer much higher desertion rates, and die at a much higher proportion.
I would think even you Capitalist Imperial would have reservations about having a McArmy. Besides, can you imagine what would happen if military companies decided they didn't need to take orders from the government anymore and decided they wanted to dictate foriegn policy themselves and extort money from the government? O wait! Halliberton made that a reality, I forgot...Silly me.
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
i bet ur all like 40 and boring and not happy! - glamgirl610
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?... - @[email protected]@
Artificial gamma ray bursters can sterilise entire parsecs. Now THAT's a deterrent! - NoXion
I was only trying to defend the south pole - DarkAngel
Didnt you hear the about the devestation GM food had on farmers in India? They basically committed mass suicide due to the GM seeds they used. - Senora Che
Cuba is also really shit...so is Leninism and MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr! - The Anarchist Tension
And the Greeks were tan and brown not white. They could not have just made up their gods like that poped into their mind. -Comrade Zeke
Finally I got my hands on a copy of the communist manifesto. Like ......Aren't there any revised editions? - revolutionindia
You are confused; Al Capone was a gangster a member of the mafia. Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of goods, with prices, production, and the distribution of goods determined by competition in a free market i.e. through voluntary mutually beneficial exchange.
As far as I know Al Capone had no degree in economics nor did he advocate any particular economic system. He did however feel he had a right to take other peoples private property, this is commonly referred to as theft but when governments do it, leftists use euphemisms like redistribution.
The people I cited did claim to represent Communism and believed in and espoused its benefits. You are quick to deride them as heretics, because they do not believe as you do. But as you pointed out yourself no person here can agree on the basic practices and tenants of communism. There for no matter who I debate and discredit you can simply say they did not represent true comminism.
The fact that there is disagreement on the basic structure of a communist society is because your ideology is fundamentally flawed. It is not about offering any practical solutions to problems; rather it is a critique of the present system. Witch is why you don’t see a forum here dedicated to economics, but plenty of threads devoted to the evils of modern society.
Unfortunately the Manifesto says a lot of things, what concerns me is what happens when those ideas are implemented, and history has not been kind. So I will continue to believe that communism is authoritarian because logic and the evidence of one failed trial after another demonstrate this. You will continue to believe that there are “libertarian” communists despite the evidence to the contrary, but you goal should be to persuade me otherwise. And I challenge you to do so, by laying out your vision of a non-authoritarian communist society.
free·dom:
Pronunciation: 'frE-dom
1 : the absence of coercion, or constraint in choice or action
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
"This American system of ours . . . call it Americanism, call it capitalism, call it what you like, gives to each and every one of us a great opportunity if we only seize it with both hands and make the most of it."
-Al Capone
If you knitted a sweater, and someone stole it from you, is it theft to take it back?
Hitler and Mussolini both claimed to represent capitalism; surely you've seen the quotes.
Their entire rise to power was backed in no small part by huge multinational corporations.
Capitalists do this FAR more than any leftist.
I could give you a rather complicated theoretical explanation as to why communist movements in the past turned out how they did and how communist movements in the future will turn out differently, but would it really be worth it? I mean, I've done it plenty of times before, and each time, it went in one ear and out the other, and within minutes the capitalist was spouting the same misinformed nonsense as he was before I spent an hour explaining the subject to him.
If you'll listen, I'll write.
"to become a philosopher, start by walking very slowly"
Quite a few people believe that the governments of the former USSR and/or Cuba represent how the Communist Party should be and what their goals and aims are. (I happen to be one of them) Unfortunately Che-lives.com restricts/bans most of those people.
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
i bet ur all like 40 and boring and not happy! - glamgirl610
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?... - @[email protected]@
Artificial gamma ray bursters can sterilise entire parsecs. Now THAT's a deterrent! - NoXion
I was only trying to defend the south pole - DarkAngel
Didnt you hear the about the devestation GM food had on farmers in India? They basically committed mass suicide due to the GM seeds they used. - Senora Che
Cuba is also really shit...so is Leninism and MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr! - The Anarchist Tension
And the Greeks were tan and brown not white. They could not have just made up their gods like that poped into their mind. -Comrade Zeke
Finally I got my hands on a copy of the communist manifesto. Like ......Aren't there any revised editions? - revolutionindia
Only on the internet. These people never seem to be present at union meetings etc. Only on discussionboards. And thank Marx for that!
Only when they don't know how to behave.
In Defence Of Marxism
Hands Off Venezuela
An idiot can ask so many questions it will take years to reply. So if I don't reply to your posts it's probably why
Name someone who has been restricted or banned for this.
"to become a philosopher, start by walking very slowly"
No, we don't.
We ban people who think people like Karo de Perro are what Socialists should be like.
Comrade RAF is a Marxist-Leninist and a well respected moderator of this site.
Don't give us any of this bullshit.
ME
Guys like RAF are a tiny minority here. Anarchists control these boards.
Kids like Karo de Perro SHOULD be banned, they aren't socialists by any stretch of the imagination. I think they are people who get their perception of socialism by what right-wingers tell them.
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
i bet ur all like 40 and boring and not happy! - glamgirl610
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?... - @[email protected]@
Artificial gamma ray bursters can sterilise entire parsecs. Now THAT's a deterrent! - NoXion
I was only trying to defend the south pole - DarkAngel
Didnt you hear the about the devestation GM food had on farmers in India? They basically committed mass suicide due to the GM seeds they used. - Senora Che
Cuba is also really shit...so is Leninism and MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr! - The Anarchist Tension
And the Greeks were tan and brown not white. They could not have just made up their gods like that poped into their mind. -Comrade Zeke
Finally I got my hands on a copy of the communist manifesto. Like ......Aren't there any revised editions? - revolutionindia
LOL, are you actually convinced you've been restricted for being a Leninist?
"to become a philosopher, start by walking very slowly"
