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    His connection with the black Panter party and all the other factors in and surrounding his life. Ex, going from Black Panther Party Youth Leader to a materialistic Rapper waiving cash around what are your thoughts please?
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    If in the short future, he is doing work for some kind of charity or fighting for some cause for the good of mankind, then i might believe he has some leftist leanings, otherwise.... A good old cappie THUG.
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    a little of both, I prefer the cash waving
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    Some black guy from the ghetto makes it up and some dumbass white kids consider him a hero, indeed.
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    Originally posted by Y2A@Jul 21 2004, 03:21 PM
    Some black guy from the ghetto makes it up and some dumbass white kids consider him a hero, indeed.
    LOL, good shot Y2A, right on target my friend, LOL
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    It's retarded. Nobody talks about blacks and hispanics that make it up by working in factories but a black rapper, now there's a hero young white "rebels" can adore.
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    Q: TUPAC a Revolutionary or Street Thug?
    A: A Revolutionary Street Thug.

    Just because someone is a lumpen, or a criminal to capitalist society doesn't mean they can not be a progressive revolutionary.

    Stalin executed daring robberies to help fund the Bolsheviks .

    Listen to some of 2pac's stuff like "Changes" or "Keep ya' head up".

    Also, 2pac's mom was a Black Panther Party member.
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    Originally posted by Fidelbrand@Jul 21 2004, 03:13 PM
    If in the short future, he is doing work for some kind of charity or fighting for some cause for the good of mankind, then i might believe he has some leftist leanings, otherwise.... A good old cappie THUG.
    Uh... I don't think he will be doing anything in the future, since he is dead.
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    Some black guy from the ghetto makes it up and some dumbass white kids consider him a hero, indeed.
    I don't think it's just white kids that would consider him a hero, although I think hero is too strong of a word to use. But since half of your crap is about middle class white kids doing or being something other than what they are supposed to be, whatever that may be, your response is typical blind ramblings of stupidity.

    He is someone that a lot of people admire, and admiring him is not race exclusive just like his music wasn't, so people who listen to it are not "stealing the culture".

    Tupac was never a panther youth leader, when he was born the Panthers were, by pretty much all means, dead. His mother was one of the New York Panther 21, his father was in the BLA, his step father is political prisoner Mutulu Shakur, and godfather was Geronimo Pratt.

    If I had to say what he was, he was never totally one of the other. When his first album came out (2Pacalypse Now) it was overtly political and tapped on many issues and problems facing people. That never left his music, but what started to come into his music was what most people consider him to be, just a guy who curses about women and money and while this is true, this was never the total of his music, he never had one CD that was one of the other, he was both and his music was both.

    But you can also be both, look at Dead Prez or Immortal Technique, both from the streets, considered thugs and make revolutionary music.
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    neither...more like convicted rapist...but i guess ppl have forgotten that
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    tupac changed after he became rich and bling etc, but never totally either like hampton said. i always get the feeling he just wanted all "his people" to be better off and thats it nothing more nothing less
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    What revolution did he start?

    I think he was just an artist with a product to sell.
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    Tupac was an interesting character, in some of his songs he sang about social injustice and the need for change, but in other songs he was singing about wanting to shoot everyone in Bad Boy Records, driving in Benzes and sipping cristol.
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    peace....
    yes white peoeple loved Tupac but remember that EVERYONE in the hood loves Tupac....you will be hard pressed to find someone in the hood who doesn't......Personally i think Tupac was more of a revolutionary than a rapper.....i think his rapping skills were not that good and he was overrated.....regardless i believe that Tupac was killed by the US government because as we all know they will kill anyone who could be a possible "Black Messiah".......anyways.....i remember watching Yo Mtv raps and Tupac was saying ..."all you klansman and white supremists....whenever you wanna go war lets go"..........The Boot Camp Clik is a hip hop group from brooklyn and their leader is Buckshot...they went to the west coast and built with Tupac and Tupac gave Buckshot the name BDI THUG.........actually one of the boot camp groups dissed Biggie in a video cuz biggie bit off one of their concepts so Bad Boy went to D&D studios and pistol whipped Starang Wonder from the boot camp.....if you liked Tupac you should defineatly check out BDI Thug or the the Smiff N Wesson album "dah Shinin"....they are defineatly on that revolutionary grimy street thug i don't give a fuck about clothes and *****es type shit....
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    Originally posted by Micah EL Layl@Jul 21 2004, 08:52 PM
    peace....
    yes white peoeple loved Tupac but remember that EVERYONE in the hood loves Tupac....you will be hard pressed to find someone in the hood who doesn't......Personally i think Tupac was more of a revolutionary than a rapper.....i think his rapping skills were not that good and he was overrated.....regardless i believe that Tupac was killed by the US government because as we all know they will kill anyone who could be a possible "Black Messiah".......anyways.....i remember watching Yo Mtv raps and Tupac was saying ..."all you klansman and white supremists....whenever you wanna go war lets go"..........The Boot Camp Clik is a hip hop group from brooklyn and their leader is Buckshot...they went to the west coast and built with Tupac and Tupac gave Buckshot the name BDI THUG.........actually one of the boot camp groups dissed Biggie in a video cuz biggie bit off one of their concepts so Bad Boy went to D&D studios and pistol whipped Starang Wonder from the boot camp.....if you liked Tupac you should defineatly check out BDI Thug or the the Smiff N Wesson album "dah Shinin"....they are defineatly on that revolutionary grimy street thug i don't give a fuck about clothes and *****es type shit....
    The conspiracy theory that the US Government kiled Tupac is ludicrous. Tupac was not that important enough or that influetial enough to cause problems to the U.S. government. No entertaner is. It was probably Biggie Small's click or some other street thugs that took him out, and over something stupid at that/


    Most of his fans were suburban youth or inner city youth, and some college students, either too shallow, too busy, or to day-to day to worry about the "big bad government".

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    I appreciate only some of Tupac's music.

    What stands out most is "2pacalypse Now", his first release, social and political, just like Hampton said.

    Subsequent releases are little more than the occassional bragging, rap-for-street-credibility, etc. While there are some exceptional exceptions, such as "Dear Mama", "Brenda's Got a Baby", etc. the degradation is something that is not unique throughout a rapper's career. KRS-One, for example, went from a classic rapper to a memory that is still releasing LP's.

    I think Tupac had potential, especially for the fact that he was a very influential and popular rapper. Getting the message out would have helped, but it turned out that he was not consistent. While most individuals associate him with revolution and poetry, the fact remains that the body of his work was violent gangsterism against the backdrop of subliminal messages. And, of course, you can't find a single Crip or Blood in L.A. that doesn't play "Shoot 'Em Up" or "Hail Mary" as the "street anthem," showing you what really interested his fans: dance-worthy beats and rugged lyrics, not a revolutionary and political message.

    My respect for Dead Prez is also waning.
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    peace....
    indeed Tupac as an emcee was overrated...
    the best emcee ever is KRS ONE......second
    would be Rakim Allah.......
    i think i know what waning means????
    does that mean your not feeling dead prez anymore????
    shit....i loved that new video they got out......
    what other group is talking about shooting cops?????
    and to the one before........
    Tupac had more followers than the president of the united states.....
    he was very dangerous at the time and could have gotten more
    dangerous....Tupac was most defineatly liquidated by the
    secret government.....
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    Indeed. Tupac was planning a communist revolution and the evil U.$ government had to "liberate" him. those fucking piggies, oink oink oink! They make me SO MAD!
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    Tupac is one of the modern marketable dissidents.

    <edit>The word revolutionary was changed to dissident.

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