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    Originally posted by Teis@Jul 22 2004, 07:49 PM
    I wrote a long post but it disappeared.

    Anyway the point we were discussing was about the public airwawes. And why should FOX be treated differently than other tv stations in that? FOX is not outlawed in Canada. People just need to get a sattelite dish.
    And the point we are trying to make is how stupid it is for Canadians to suck up to shit like Al Jazeera as a real news source while not allowing fox. I wouldn't expect someone that gets all of there news for communist just sites to understand.
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    And the point we are trying to make is how stupid it is for Canadians to suck up to shit like Al Jazeera as a real news source while not allowing fox. I wouldn't expect someone that gets all of there news for communist just sites to understand.
    If they already have CNN they don't really need FOX now do they.
    Btw it's not real news to leave out criticism of some people as FOX does.
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    Originally posted by gummo@Jul 22 2004, 07:58 PM
    And the point we are trying to make is how stupid it is for Canadians to suck up to shit like Al Jazeera as a real news source while not allowing fox. I wouldn't expect someone that gets all of there news for communist just sites to understand.
    Question....how much al jezeera do you watch? I watch loads and loads of fox news, I've seen first hand that it's shit. I didn't get Al Franken to tell me. In fact fox news is on in my room everyday, along with a whole bunch of other news sources. I've never actualley watched al jezeera for a substantial amount of time so i have no basis with which to praise or ciritcize it. So if you do watch enough al jezeera to criticize it, what cable provider/satelite provider do you have because i've yet to see it.
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    Originally posted by Teis
    If they already have CNN they don't really need FOX now do they.
    Btw it's not real news to leave out criticism of some people as FOX does.
    Again, you are deciding what other peoples' needs are. This is wrong on so many levels.
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    Originally posted by Teis+Jul 22 2004, 02:49 PM--> (Teis @ Jul 22 2004, 02:49 PM) I wrote a long post but it disappeared.[/b]

    I’m sure your epic post shatters my arguments, shame it was deleted. Its not the length of the post that matters it’s the coherence of the reasoning used.

    Originally posted by Teis@
    Anyway the point we were discussing was about the public airwawes. And why should FOX be treated differently than other tv stations in that?
    It shouldn't that’s the whole point, but the Canadian Govt has decided to censor this Fox News, while allowing others like Al Jazeera the freedom to operate.

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    FOX is not outlawed in Canada. People just need to get a sattelite dish.
    By FOX I mean FOX NEWS CHANNEL not the main network, and yes FNC is banned from being broadcast in Canada, via sattelite or cable.

    The frightening thing is that the Canadian Govt, controls both of these mediums deciding what the public can see. Even worse under the Broadcast Act of 1991 they have legal authority to regulate the Net, I have no doubt there will be calls in the near future for the Govt. to use this power to block 'offensive' websites.
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    Hmm maybe you are right. But I won't take your word for it since it seems to like doubble standards so a little twisting the truth is probably not far from you.
    Else I appoplogise, but maybe some canadians could tell us if FOX is banned in Canada?
    Anyway you still jump over the point, why choose FOX over Al Jazera, isn't that as much censorship as the other way around?
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    Again, you are deciding what other peoples' needs are. This is wrong on so many levels.
    No am not Sasha. I would suggest you to learn to read properly. My point was that in publiv airspace if the space are limited it is perfectly ok to held public hearings as to which stations should occupy it. Why should FOX be choosen over some other or vice versa? Maybe people didn't choose FOX because it is like CNN, it just have more american flags, some wack hosts and are totally onesided. Now if FOX was a left station we would probably hear you scream that it should be removed.
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    Okay, 1. This discussion involves almost no one from Canada.

    2. Fow News is not 'banned' because they were never allowed to broadcast in Canada in the first place.

    3. Contrary to popular belief, it is not allowed to broadcast not because of its content, but because, quite simply, its not Canadian. The CRTC (Canadian Radio and Television Commission) has made it so that at least 30% or so of all the programs have to be Canadian-made. (You know, preserving 'Canadian Culture', whatever the hell that is.)

    4. The reason Canadians don't want FOX News is because we have real news here. We have about four or five good national news networks that people already trust. (I don't know why, but hey they do.) Anyways, the only reason a Canadian would watch American news is for a laugh, because, especially in the wake of the Iraq war, Canadians have learned (somewhat) that CNN, Fox News and their ilk are full !

    5. Oh, and also, since people actually came and voiced their opinions on whether or not the channel should be broadcast, it wasn't really the government who made the decision. Face it. The people have spoken. So shut the hell up and listen to them!
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    thank fate for satellites

    the O'reilly factor gets plenty of canadian e-mails, positive and negative, but they are in fact watching regardless. They were to busy actually working to attend some public hearing.

    Lets be honest, who really attends any public heraing in reality?

    Retirees with nothing better to do.
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    Originally posted by Osman Ghazi@Jul 23 2004, 06:31 PM
    Okay, 1. This discussion involves almost no one from Canada.

    2. Fow News is not 'banned' because they were never allowed to broadcast in Canada in the first place.

    3. Contrary to popular belief, it is not allowed to broadcast not because of its content, but because, quite simply, its not Canadian. The CRTC (Canadian Radio and Television Commission) has made it so that at least 30% or so of all the programs have to be Canadian-made. (You know, preserving 'Canadian Culture', whatever the hell that is.)

    4. The reason Canadians don't want FOX News is because we have real news here. We have about four or five good national news networks that people already trust. (I don't know why, but hey they do.) Anyways, the only reason a Canadian would watch American news is for a laugh, because, especially in the wake of the Iraq war, Canadians have learned (somewhat) that CNN, Fox News and their ilk are full !

    5. Oh, and also, since people actually came and voiced their opinions on whether or not the channel should be broadcast, it wasn't really the government who made the decision. Face it. The people have spoken. So shut the hell up and listen to them!
    Oh, please...

    I was in Michigan on business, and I saw the Canadian Broadcast News in my hotel room. There was not an iota of difference between it and US news outlets.
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    Oh, please...

    I was in Michigan on business, and I saw the Canadian Broadcast News in my hotel room. There was not an iota of difference between it and US news outlets.
    I never said there was. I said that Canadians trusted them. The difference is in peoples minds.

    What the hell is 'Canadian Broadcast News' anyway?
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    Originally posted by Osman Ghazi@Jul 23 2004, 06:57 PM

    I never said there was. I said that Canadians trusted them. The difference is in peoples minds.

    What the hell is 'Canadian Broadcast News' anyway?
    I think thats what it was called.

    I think thats what it was called.

    It was CBN, or maybe CCN...or maybe CNC (Canadian News Channel?)

    I just remember one of their commericails advertizing some returaunt that sells chili in a bread-bowl, and a donut on the side, with a cup of coffee. It was weird. Their tag line was: "And I ate the Bowl!!!"

    It was so funny.
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    I think thats what it was called.

    It was CBN, or maybe CCN...or maybe CNC (Canadian News Channel?)
    None of those channels sounds familiar to me, so I don't think they are national networks, however I remember that commercial.
    EDIT: Come to think of it, it was probably CBC the Canadian version of the BBC.

    It was Tim Horton's I believe, a company named after a dead hockey player (Oh my God, in Canada? Really?). The guys are all talking about times that they ingested massive amounts of food (13 cheeseburgers etc.) and the guy says something like "Oh ya, well today I ate a bowl of soup at Tim Hortons.... And then I ate the bowl!"

    Not very bright, but hey, no one ever accused advertising execs of being overly creative.
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    Originally posted by Osman Ghazi@Jul 23 2004, 08:26 PM

    None of those channels sounds familiar to me, so I don't think they are national networks, however I remember that commercial.
    EDIT: Come to think of it, it was probably CBC the Canadian version of the BBC.

    It was Tim Horton's I believe, a company named after a dead hockey player (Oh my God, in Canada? Really?). The guys are all talking about times that they ingested massive amounts of food (13 cheeseburgers etc.) and the guy says something like "Oh ya, well today I ate a bowl of soup at Tim Hortons.... And then I ate the bowl!"

    Not very bright, but hey, no one ever accused advertising execs of being overly creative.
    yeah, yeah, that's it, exactlly!!!

    man, it was so bad, it was funny

    "and I ate the bowl!!!", LOL

    and you're right, it was the CBC
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    man, it was so bad, it was funny
    Well, ads are ads pretty much anywhere you go. Almost half of the TV that I watch is American and the commercials are, as far as I can tell, pretty much the same.

    The thing is though that American news like CNN generally never talks about the influence of the media or other decisive factors. And the fact that the CBC runs the BBC news as well shows that they are at least less one-sided then American news. Also, CBC Newsworld tuns Hot Type (yes, a TV show about BOOKS&#33 whose equivalent I have never seen on CNN or any other American news network.
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    Originally posted by Teis+--> (Teis)
    Again, you are deciding what other peoples' needs are. This is wrong on so many levels.
    No am not Sasha. I would suggest you to learn to read properly.[/b]

    "If they already have CNN they don't really need FOX now do they.
    Btw it's not real news to leave out criticism of some people as FOX does."

    My bold. I love it when I'm right in such black and white ways.

    Originally posted by Teis@
    My point was that in publiv airspace if the space are limited it is perfectly ok to held public hearings as to which stations should occupy it. Why should FOX be choosen over some other or vice versa? Maybe people didn't choose FOX because it is like CNN, it just have more american flags, some wack hosts and are totally onesided.
    Why don't you let the cable/satellite provider add in whatever channels they want? If they include channels that people don't like, their profits will suffer. If you're so sure they don't want Fox, you should have no problem with this.

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    Now if FOX was a left station we would probably hear you scream that it should be removed.
    No, you wouldn't.
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    Bollocks. If it was a leftist station you'd start ranting about 'the enemy'.

    It's the nature of things I'm afraid. I must admit though, if we in the UK are forced to endure all these US stations, those damn canucks are going to suffer too!
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    Originally posted by Osman Ghazi@Jul 23 2004, 06:31 PM
    Okay, 1. This discussion involves almost no one from Canada.
    Good thing we have you here

    2. Fow News is not 'banned' because they were never allowed to broadcast in Canada in the first place.
    That doesn't change anything.

    3. Contrary to popular belief, it is not allowed to broadcast not because of its content, but because, quite simply, its not Canadian. The CRTC (Canadian Radio and Television Commission) has made it so that at least 30% or so of all the programs have to be Canadian-made. (You know, preserving 'Canadian Culture', whatever the hell that is.)
    Government coercion, pure and simple.

    4. The reason Canadians don't want FOX News is because we have real news here. We have about four or five good national news networks that people already trust. (I don't know why, but hey they do.) Anyways, the only reason a Canadian would watch American news is for a laugh, because, especially in the wake of the Iraq war, Canadians have learned (somewhat) that CNN, Fox News and their ilk are full!
    And with that piece-of-sh** cultural purity law, they wouldn't get it even if they wanted it.

    5. Oh, and also, since people actually came and voiced their opinions on whether or not the channel should be broadcast, it wasn't really the government who made the decision. Face it. The people have spoken. So shut the hell up and listen to them!
    This is a classic example of a socialist dictatorship by the majority. We're talking about an inalienable right that has been voted upon.
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    Originally posted by DaCuBaN@Jul 23 2004, 10:59 PM
    Bollocks. If it was a leftist station you'd start ranting about 'the enemy'.
    No, I insist, I wouldn't.

    That's the difference between you and me; I believe in freedom. I believe in inalienable rights that I wouldn't dare break even if it meant the benefit of those I despise.
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    Then you and I are not as different as I assumed: You portay somewhat partisan (in appearance) views, and I made an assumption.

    My apologies.
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