FNC Not allowed in Canada?

[gummo]

Originally posted by Teis@Jul 22 2004, 03:48 PM

So what you are saying is that the people who want FOX is 1. to lazy to make an effort to get their station 2. don't really care since they got enough soaps anyway. I had a suspicion that those were the kind of people who viewed FOX

I am saying that the people that view fox are most likely the successful class in your society and don't have time to play your stupid socialist games. It's not a coincidence that people on the right avoid the mob tactics that you lefties love. How many righties do you see blocking intersections because some crackhead got a wood shampoo from the police. If people like fox they will watch it and if they don't then fox will fail. I guess your government thinks your to stupid to make your own mind.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial@Jul 22 2004, 02:50 PM
Canadians you know is not every Canadian. Not even close. The O'reilly factor gets positive e-mails from Canada and Canadians often.

.....I really hope you aren't going to use positive emails to the "Just Spin Zone" as proof that lots of canadians want Fox News. Also if they can't get it up there how do they know what to reply to in those emails. Not to mention O'Rielly selects those emails to make the show look better. He selects comments from people who are opposed to him that aren't coherent and make outrgeous claims, then he picks ones that are coherent that support what he's saying.

Two days ago he had an email by a gay man who didn't want gay marriage, but I've yet to see him read an email by a gay person or a straight person in support of gay marriage that was a sound arguement. And it's not because those arguements aren't out there. It's because o'rielly doesn't want anyone to call him on his bullshit.

O'Rielly says that he selects emails that are "pithy" yet the emails made by those people who disagree with him rarely are. He selects emails that make him look good, plain and simple.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by gummo@Jul 22 2004, 03:55 PM
I am saying that the people that view fox are most likely the successful class in your society and don't have time to play your stupid socialist games. It's not a coincidence that people on the right avoid the mob tactics that you lefties love. How many righties do you see blocking intersections because some crackhead got a wood shampoo from the police. If people like fox they will watch it and if they don't then fox will fail. I guess your government thinks your to stupid to make your own mind.

Why would "righties" do anything for anyone that got abused by the police? The only thing you guys even care about is making sure that no one touches your money. You don't give a fuck about people. Where teh fuck were the righties whena whole bunch of people got their heads busted in for being agaisnt the FTAA down in Miami? I thought you guys were for freedom of speech yet you don't give a fuck when people get battered for voicing their opinions.

[Louis Pio]

I am saying that the people that view fox are most likely the successful class in your society and don't have time to play your stupid socialist games.

ROFL Ok that was funny.
Well im sorry but I think the opposite. Most people with succes wouldn't watch FOX. Not because they are socialist or don't support capitalism. But because FOX is crap quite simple and those people you are talking about need news, not uncritically praises of Bush while leaving the mistakes out. Or else they will be caught by surprise when something goes wrong. Funny how you see democracy as socialist, I take it you prefer a strong Führer?

What is see it the right using their economic power to force that view, and that's worse than blocking a intersection.

If you now tried to take your head out of your ass and drop you autopilot replies you could maybe stop and think about the following.
As far as I understood we are talking about the public network, if they don't have enough space then it is perfectly ok to put it out in public hearing. And people don't wanted FOX.

[gummo]

Originally posted by Lardlad95@Jul 22 2004, 04:04 PM
Why would "righties" do anything for anyone that got abused by the police? The only thing you guys even care about is making sure that no one touches your money. You don't give a fuck about people. Where teh fuck were the righties whena whole bunch of people got their heads busted in for being agaisnt the FTAA down in Miami? I thought you guys were for freedom of speech yet you don't give a fuck when people get battered for voicing their opinions.

I don't think a crackhead getting a well deserved wood shampooing is trying to voice his oppinion.

[Louis Pio]

No I think they are just violent freaks who got on the government payrole.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by gummo@Jul 22 2004, 04:07 PM
I don't think a crackhead getting a well deserved wood shampooing is trying to voice his oppinion.

Never said he was. I'm just saying you guys don't care when anyone gets abused by the police. Also how is the wooden shampoo well deserved? He deserved it because he was fucked up to the point where he'd actualley used the fucking crack? That person needs to be helped not locked up in a prison so he can get out and do it again. If he's attacking the police, restrain him, but that doesn't mean he deserves abuse.

[Capitalist Imperial]

You guys can spin it how you want.

It's censorship, straight up.

To say that "not enough people showed up to say they want it, so now we won't allow it" doesn't sell in the least.

And you think Americans get bad info?

[Louis Pio]

You use to be able to argue but this is pathetic CI.

To say that "not enough people showed up to say they want it, so now we won't allow it" doesn't sell in the least.

People got the choice as to who should fill the space and they didn't want FOX. Quite simple...
Wouldn't it also be censorship if they picked FOX over another station? Or is it only censorship when talking about the fairytale station?

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial@Jul 22 2004, 04:25 PM
You guys can spin it how you want.

It's censorship, straight up.

To say that "not enough people showed up to say they want it, so now we won't allow it" doesn't sell in the least.

And you think Americans get bad info?

Well seeing as how Fox New's biggest star Bill O'Lielly is anti Canadian I wouldn't necassarily want him and his network up there either.

But your right Fox news should be allowed up there. Then again Cambodian news should be allowed over there too. Cuz if it was up to me we'd hear something from every side. But we can't always get what we want.

Fox news really should be allowed in Canada...i mean hell everyone derserves a little fiction every now and again

[Louis Pio]

Fox news really should be allowed in Canada...i mean hell everyone derserves a little fiction every now and again

Yes, but when there is not enough space it is perfectly ok to put it out inpublic hearing. Because leaving out another station would also be censorship.
That's what CI and Gummo choose not to understand, they would rather ***** to make themselves feel better.

If there is the space people should be able to watch FOX, everybody needsd a laugh. But I rather have some other stations first.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Teis@Jul 22 2004, 04:43 PM

Yes, but when there is not enough space it is perfectly ok to put it out inpublic hearing. Because leaving out another station would also be censorship.
That's what CI and Gummo choose not to understand, they would rather ***** to make themselves feel better.

If there is the space people should be able to watch FOX, everybody needsd a laugh. But I rather have some other stations first.

Ok...so there weren't enough available slots?

[Louis Pio]

That's the impression I got.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Oh, "there's not enough available slots"

of course,

come on...

[Louis Pio]

Yes there's limited airspace.
And if people have CNN already I think they would like to use the rest of the space on some other station instead of FOX.

[gummo]

Originally posted by Teis@Jul 22 2004, 05:58 PM
Yes there's limited airspace.
And if people have CNN already I think they would like to use the rest of the space on some other station instead of FOX.

A communist that thinks for other people. Imagine that.

[Louis Pio]

So Gummo can we know conclude that after you found out you didn't have a case and you found out your pathetic whinning didn't convince anybody you are just writing crap?

Maybe you should just shut up when you have been exposed for what you are, a small kid that doesn't know what he is talking about.

Fact is you didn't have a case, and now you try to divert attention from that. A bit like FOX works I guess.

[gummo]

Originally posted by Teis@Jul 22 2004, 06:30 PM
So Gummo can we know conclude that after you found out you didn't have a case and you found out your pathetic whinning didn't convince anybody you are just writing crap?

Maybe you should just shut up when you have been exposed for what you are, a small kid that doesn't know what he is talking about.

Fact is you didn't have a case, and now you try to divert attention from that. A bit like FOX works I guess.

The fact that your commie blinders hide the point I was trying to make doesn't mean I have no case. It means your blind.

[Crusader 4 da truth]

Originally posted by Teis+--> (Teis)I see you can't read. Not surprisingly if Fox is your source of information. [/b]

Typical you can’t debate someone on the issues all your left with is a personal attack. For the record I don’t get Fox news because I don’t want to pay for cable.

Originally posted by Teis+--> (Teis)What happened was they had public hearings. If anybody wanted FOX they could have gone there. Nobody wanted it. [/b]

So no one in the entire country of Canada wants the channel? What if I have a job and can’t attend the hearing? Or cant travel to get there? If no one wanted to watch then they would just allow the channel to be broadcast and the ratings would be horrible, and News Corp would have a major embarrassment on their hands. No, govt’s only ban what they fear; they fear that it would succeed. Again if it would fail on its own there is no need for a ban.

Originally posted by Teis
That's a thing called democracy in action.

I’m glad you're not making any pretenses about your desire to eliminate free speech, “Democratic” or not some method of squashing dissenting opinions will be necessary to obtain obedience from the citizens under your Communist Utopia. Fortunately In America we have the first Amendment witch prohibits our government from enacting legislation that curtails free speech, regardless of what the majority want to hear. If one guy in Canada wants to watch Fox news and can pay for it why shouldn’t he be allowed to purchase it? If the majority is offended they can choose not to watch.

Originally posted by Teis
Well im sorry but I think the opposite. Most people with succes wouldn't watch FOX. Not because they are socialist or don't support capitalism.

You’re missing the point one's “success” has no baring on their right to express, market or seek out an opinion. What are you arguing? That because the poor want to watch a program or have access to a show that they are willing to pay for they shouldn’t because the elites in Govt say they can’t? Come now Comrade.

Originally posted by Teis
But because FOX is crap quite simple and those people you are talking about need news, not uncritically praises of Bush while leaving the mistakes out. Funny how you see democracy as socialist, I take it you prefer a strong Führer?

Its not govts place to determine what the peoples “Needs” are when it comes to Television programming! Political censorship is not strictly socialists; all collectivist societies utilize it including the Nazis. I’m shocked that you’d resort to calling ROFL a Nazi while you attempt to justify limits on free speech.

Originally posted by Teis
What is see it the right using their economic power to force that view, and that's worse than blocking a intersection.

Yes we use our powers of mind control to make people watch fox news constantly! No one chooses to watch because they find it informative or entertaining.

Originally posted by Teis
If you now tried to take your head out of your ass and drop you autopilot replies you could maybe stop and think about the following.

No Comment.

Originally posted by Teis
As far as I understood we are talking about the public network, if they don't have enough space then it is perfectly ok to put it out in public hearing.

What are you talking about? Fox is its own network, and the satellites and cable companies are not public. They may be public companies In that they sell shares but they are not owned by the govt. The Canadian Govt. has blocked service providers from showing fox news; this is not a bandwidth issue. .

Teis

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And people don't wanted FOX

That’s find for them, but why do they have to impose on someone that wants to pay for it? They aren’t forced to watch.

Teis

Wouldn't it also be censorship if they picked FOX over another station? Or is it only censorship when talking about the fairytale station?

Now you’re starting to understand If the govt makes a decision as to what can and cannot be viewed then that is wrong. Just as if the Canadian govt decided to outlaw che-lives.com, even if a bunch of people get together in a room and vote on it. That’s why they should just stay out of it and let the customers decided what programming they would like to watch. Wow it took a while Teis but we’ve reasoned this one out together.

[Louis Pio]

I wrote a long post but it disappeared.

Anyway the point we were discussing was about the public airwawes. And why should FOX be treated differently than other tv stations in that? FOX is not outlawed in Canada. People just need to get a sattelite dish.