It should be from birth. Keeps it simple.
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I don't usually consider this question, it's just something of which I thought.
It should be from birth. Keeps it simple.
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i put concieved just to be awkward.
if that did apply, my birthday would be around the 28th june 1985 - which is about nine months before my actual birthday and exactly 5 years before two of my little brothers were born.
But when you are concieved you aren't a person, 'you' are an egg cell and some sticky stuff.
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If age is counted from the time of conception it would imply that a three month fetus is in fact a 'person' that is alive. I think that if for no other reason than for the sake of abortion rights age should be counted from the time of birth.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about abortion rightsCounting age from conception would give conservatives more reason to challenge those rights.
Then it should be born.
I had to null my vote - I feel the child's age should be derived from when they first shows signs of intelligence - focusing on objects at varying ranges is one test currently employed.
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Adiel: Cannot!
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How the hell do you test that? Intelligence is a very difficult concept. (Some members on this board don't show many signs of intelligence yet.)
I think that it should be from conception. But only 'cause I think that an "egg cell and some sticky stuff" is in fact a person. Incidentally the Chinese (used to at least) count from conception.
That's the genious of the scheme - some people will technicallly never live
Under socialism this would be disasterous... after all, how can you get food if you don't exist?
It's evil I know, but it would certainly help accelerate human evolution, given that so many people won't let me stick bits of electronics in us and piss around with our genetics
Adiel: How can you defend a country where 5 percent of the people control 95 percent of the wealth?
Lisa: I'm defending a country where people can think and act and worship any way they want!
Adiel: Cannot!
Lisa: Can to!
Adiel: Cannot!
Lisa: Can to!
Homer: Please, please, kids; stop fighting. Maybe Lisa is right about America being the land of opportunity, maybe Adiel has a point about the machinery of capitalism being oiled with the blood of the workers.
i never really thought of that?its intresting?
you are not really a person yet inside the womb but you are growing. consider babies that are born too early are usually born smaller and lighter then babies that are born later in pregnacy. its simple to just have it when their born but it is an intresting question.....
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How can you know exactly the date when you were conceived unless your parents keep a note pad of all the times they had sex? Even then it will be hard to predict! That sytem is, clearly, highly impractical and would never work.
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Interesting....
I selected "unsure". I neither belief that life strictly begins from conception or strictly from birth, I prefer the option of "somewhere in-between".
It should be noted however, that even if life is considered to begin at conception, abortion can still be morally justifiable.
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Only some right wing, holy roller would say that age should be counted at conception. That's pretty much the view point of the whole "pro-life" movement.
When they are born of course.
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not really, you are growing inside the womb, the abortion factor is that the fetus is really not a "person" yet, its just a mashed up cells. The pro life movment thinks that the fetus is a person, which it isent. I myself think it is up to the carrier of the fetus to decide. I understand why someone would argue age by conception and i'am definatly no right wing holy roller! :angry:
But back to the age thing a child concived two months earlleir then another but comes out at the same time will usually be larger an is "kinda" older by two months. I never really thought of this untill the thread was opened and it is intresting.
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from when they are born - logistically to hard to determine date of conception + arbortion issues make conception out of the question
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now that i think about it it depends if you are talking about how old someone is physically or mentally. You are growing physically inside the womb but not mentally, actually some people dont grow mentally until alot latter in life
i agree that it is definatly more reasonable to count at birth, just making arguments for reasons it could be the other.
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I've been thinking about this one, and I've come to the conclusion that age is simply of no relevance whatsoever in it's current form, as it doesn't actually prove anything other than allowing us to work out the mean age of death - which is of little use. I've already said that perhaps age should be counted chronologically from the first signs of intelligence, but perhaps this wouldn't suffice - I say we need to sit down and work out a functional 'Intelligence' test, and grade people accordingly - age then becomes irrelevant, as I'm sure most would agree that with age does not come wisdom, simply knowledge.
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Adiel: How can you defend a country where 5 percent of the people control 95 percent of the wealth?
Lisa: I'm defending a country where people can think and act and worship any way they want!
Adiel: Cannot!
Lisa: Can to!
Adiel: Cannot!
Lisa: Can to!
Homer: Please, please, kids; stop fighting. Maybe Lisa is right about America being the land of opportunity, maybe Adiel has a point about the machinery of capitalism being oiled with the blood of the workers.
