The Vanguard Party

[Subversive Pessimist]

I've heard a lot about the Vanguard Party, or something like that... What is it?

[Mike Fakelastname]

"The vanguard party" is a Leninist term for the organization that protects and guides the revolution. I don't want to get really deep into it and why it doesn't really work out, but that's basically what it is.

[redstar2000]

Here is a post that will give you a few hints...

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?s...ndpost&p=406479



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[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Justice@Jun 14 2004, 06:44 PM
I've heard a lot about the Vanguard Party, or something like that... What is it?

The term vangaurd party is a term used to describe leninist parties.

Leninism asserts that the working class are unable to gain class consciousness under capitalism and that an organisation, or a vangaurd must lead them. The vangaurd is supposed to be made up of the most "conscious" elements of the working class. The majority of the time they are political parties which have an intellectual leadership who dictate orders to faithful followers.

[Roses in the Hospital]

The vanguard party" is a Leninist term

Wasn't it originally Marx who coined the term and Lenin simply developed it?

[Mike Fakelastname]

Originally posted by Roses in the Hospital@Jun 14 2004, 12:26 PM

The vanguard party" is a Leninist term

Wasn't it originally Marx who coined the term and Lenin simply developed it?

Yes. These days it relates to Leninism though, which is why I said it was a Leninist term.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Roses in the Hospital@Jun 14 2004, 07:26 PM

The vanguard party" is a Leninist term

Wasn't it originally Marx who coined the term and Lenin simply developed it?

Marx never ever spoke of a vangaurd. If you can find a quote that suggests that a political party led by intellectuals should control the actions of the working class i'll give you my soul.

[Kaan]

I suggest a political party led by intellectuals should control the actions of the working class

-Karl Marx

one soul please

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Kaan@Jun 14 2004, 10:43 PM

I suggest a political party led by intellectuals should control the actions of the working class

-Karl Marx

one soul please

Nice try :P

[Don't Change Your Name]

lol

Anyway, i think it was well explained above, but too keep it simple, let's say that leninists think that there's a need for a "vanguard", usually a party, which attemps to take power since the workers are still too "dumb" to rule themselves. So according to Leninists, they need a strong, centralized leadership that represents the people's interests and becomes the new government. The vanguard is usually made up by "advanced" workers, revolutionaries, party members, and various "educated" workers.
I won't give my view on this here.

[Raisa]

yo no one said nothing about being dumb..... <_<

Leninists do not think that the people are too dumb to lead themselves, but they believe that there needs to be a strong vanguard movement that can stand up to the current regime.

The reason most people dont bother with standing up is because they feel there is not enough of them,and so its intimidating. People often feel isolated in their struggles. And when you take a look at the way things are being done on the left, this contributes to their feeling. A vangaurd is a thing that unites all these isolated people under the same banner, as it leads the revolution. People are not "dumb" but every thing needs leadership. In alot of Leninist minds, to not have proper organization is to lead us all into our deaths. There is a strong enemy and there needs to be a solid opposition.

The vanguard is composed of the first people who realize whats going on and want a change, they can be any one who cares, and they are very dedicated.

Personally, I think there needs to be a common vangaurd movement and then after the revolution a communist democracy, because there are soooo many different ways to handle different things.

[elijahcraig]

Nice try

Good god you got your ass beat on this thread, ho.

[T_SP]

Marx&#39;s reference to the &#39;Dictatorship of the proletariat&#39;
I&#39;ll be having that soul thanx&#33;&#33; :P :P

[The Feral Underclass]

Since when was that a reference to a vangaurd? I want quotes, references to where he says, specifically, that an intellectual elite should lead the working class.

[elijahcraig]

Since when was that a reference to a vangaurd? I want quotes, references to where he says, specifically, that an intellectual elite should lead the working class.

You&#39;ve lost...just give up. It makes you look ridiculous to continue.

The bottom of the cliff awaits.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by elijahcraig@Jun 28 2004, 09:14 PM

You&#39;ve lost...just give up. It makes you look ridiculous to continue.

The bottom of the cliff awaits.

so yeah....i&#39;ll be taking the the quotes and references now then?&#33;

[elijahcraig]

so yeah....i&#39;ll be taking the the quotes and references now then?&#33;

You&#39;re so pathetic.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by elijahcraig@Jun 28 2004, 09:42 PM

You&#39;re so pathetic.

I hope everyone noticed that&#33; Once again EC proves that when he&#39;s unable to win an argument, he just resorts to attacking you&#33;

Whenever your ready....

[elijahcraig]

THIS IS THE FUCKING QUOTE WHICH HAS ALREADY PROVED YOU WRONG:

I suggest a political party led by intellectuals should control the actions of the working class

-Karl Marx

This is nothing if not the vanguard.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by elijahcraig@Jun 29 2004, 01:06 AM
THIS IS THE FUCKING QUOTE WHICH HAS ALREADY PROVED YOU WRONG:



This is nothing if not the vanguard.

He was joking you fucking prick&#33;...Notice what I said before that...and then how he replecates my very words for the purpose of creating a joke&#33;

You have really out done yourself this time&#33;