I think I'm going to be sick

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

For all those who think Nazis should be tolerated in any fashion:

WE, AS WHITE NATIONALISTS SAY:

NO COMPROMISE WITH THE REDS...
NO DEALS WITH THE REDS...
NO SURRENDER TO THE REDS!!!

They won't give us quarter... let's return the favour

[Dawood]

Originally posted by BornOfZapatasGuns@May 31 2004, 10:23 PM
Isn't Iran the most 'Aryan pure' nation on Earth?

Actually the word "Iran", meaning something like "Great man", actually is derived from Aryan.
But still, the Iranians are an indo-iranian people, and not an indo-aryan (don't confuse this with the nazi crap about races, I am speaking of scientific classifications).


About redwatch:
Yeah, those sites can be pretty scary. I've had several friends who ended up on the swedish site info14. But then again, we have our own collections of names and pictures, don't we?
I just love taunting nazis with "tomorow your picture is gonna be on the internet"... :P
And never go to anti-nazi events without a disguise. Personally I favour the black block, but when that is not possible, a simple piece of black cloth over your face, togheter with a black cap, is good enough.

I'm getting to creating a street leveled click of Leftists. Something along the lines of RASH and SHARP.

Good luck. Us skins must keep the naziskins at bay. I am myself affiliated with the AFA (Anti Fascist Action) and the FBL (Fascist Basher League) in Sweden. In 5 days its the independence day. Stockholm is gonna blow. We (the AFA) have a demonstration, the nazis have promised to stop us... They will probably be like 200 people, at most. We are gonna crush them unless the coppers get to them, or us, first...

[Pawn Power]

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i love how you condradict yourself there.
that itself was a nazi statement.
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anyway we out number those fuckers and we can crush them


Please explain how posting a desire to crush the neo fascist movement has any relation to the politcal ideology of the Nazi party.

I will take it a step further; ALL fascists should be immediately executed.

QUOTE (hobosexual @ May 31 2004, 03:18 AM)
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i dont even want to argue with those quotes because they are so abslutly rediculouse and sickening.
Please for the sake of my stomach dont quote shit like that , we all know their are bastards out there.
anyway we out number those fuckers and we can crush them



i love how you condradict yourself there.
that itself was a nazi statement.
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anyway we out number those fuckers and we can crush them



this has to be one of the most moronic posts ever made.

The idea that talking about crushing a particular force in society that promotes racist violence is equivalent to nazism is ridiculous.

Do you thin that karl marx is a nazi because he talked about crushing the bourgoiesie?

idiot

thank you COMRADE RAF and Reuben for your support in the hatred towards nazis and your sensible reasoning :hammer:

[hobosexual]

QUOTE (hobosexual @ May 31 2004, 03:18 AM)
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i dont even want to argue with those quotes because they are so abslutly rediculouse and sickening.
Please for the sake of my stomach dont quote shit like that , we all know their are bastards out there.
anyway we out number those fuckers and we can crush them



i love how you condradict yourself there.
that itself was a nazi statement.
QUOTE
anyway we out number those fuckers and we can crush them



this has to be one of the most moronic posts ever made.

The idea that talking about crushing a particular force in society that promotes racist violence is equivalent to nazism is ridiculous.

Do you thin that karl marx is a nazi because he talked about crushing the bourgoiesie?

idiot

fuck you. it is equivlalent to nazism because he is talking about killing people for what they believe in. no matter what you say, no matter how fucked up nazis are saying you want to kill all nazis for being nazis and for thinking like nazis is the exact same as saying i want to kill all the commies for being commies, all the christians for believing in god. is that not nazism? and i do believe karl marx wanted to world itself to unite for peace much more than he wanted the killing of anyone who didnt think like you, you stupid fuck. you can crush bourgoiesie and nazis without killing them. nazis believe in violence, so by acting upon them with violence is the most idiotic thing I'VE ever heard. you can't put out a fire with fire, by acting with violence only creates more violence, when will you people understand that.

[h&s]

I'm sure that when we say we are going to kill the Nazis we are joking.
I don't know what Marx would say about it, but its hard not to support the beating up of people who beat us up all of the time.

[BOZG]

I'm not joking, I think they should be executed.

[Pawn Power]

fuck you. it is equivlalent to nazism because he is talking about killing people for what they believe in. no matter what you say, no matter how fucked up nazis are saying you want to kill all nazis for being nazis and for thinking like nazis is the exact same as saying i want to kill all the commies for being commies, all the christians for believing in god. is that not nazism? and i do believe karl marx wanted to world itself to unite for peace much more than he wanted the killing of anyone who didnt think like you, you stupid fuck. you can crush bourgoiesie and nazis without killing them. nazis believe in violence, so by acting upon them with violence is the most idiotic thing I'VE ever heard. you can't put out a fire with fire, by acting with violence only creates more violence, when will you people understand that.

dont get so upset , i understand where you are coming from.

you can crush bourgoiesie and nazis without killing them. nazis believe in violence, so by acting upon them with violence is the most idiotic thing I'VE ever heard.

in fact in my first original post i did say crush not kill

anyway we out number those fuckers and we can crush them

but you have to understand that alot of these nazis are bitter racist and the ideas they live by are just horrible, so what do you propose we do with them?

i think BornOfZapatasGuns might have the solution

I'm not joking, I think they should be executed.

that is a shur way to stop their racist behavior

[hobosexual]

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you can crush bourgoiesie and nazis without killing them. nazis believe in violence, so by acting upon them with violence is the most idiotic thing I'VE ever heard.


in fact in my first original post i did say crush not kill

ya you're right, i guess i did jump the gun there, srry, but i do know a lot of you really do want to kill nazis and so i assumed thats what you meant. which i think is completly ignorant and hypocritical which pisses me off.
im just trying to say that most nazis are exactly what you say they are, bitter rascists - scum of the earth. and no matter how hard you try you're not gonna change their views on things, they are always gonna be nazis. but that doesn't mean you go and kill them. you can't just go around and kill everyone who doesn't have the same views as you. it's like taking down evil and replacing it with a different evil. as long as hate is in our hearts their is goin to be nazis. the only way your ever gonna get rid of this bullshit, and get rid of all this hate is going to stop hating. instead of trying to change something that you can't (nazis) why don't you try to stop nazis from ever exsisting. ppl aren't born nazis, they are taught it from others. if we teach the children tolerance and love then nazis will cease to be. do you understand what im saying?
a lot of you here call yourselves commies but have double standards. and if your gonna have double standards about things your just as worse as any fascist. if you're gonna preach equality then your gonna have to treat all as equals. and before you start talking about marx why don't you read some of his work. i don't think he has ever talked about violence towards others. he spent his whole life writing his believes down for the good of others even tho he couldn't make enough to support himself and family. he didn't solve his problems by executing ppl, he did it through education.

I'm not joking, I think they should be executed. [QUOTE] well then i guess you best go kill yourself.

[BOZG]

Do you even know what a Nazi is?

[hobosexual]

that is a stupid question. i hate them too, if that's what your getting at, i just don't solve my problems with violence.

and just so you don't post a reply by saying, well you didn't answer my question so you must not know what a nazi is..

the nazi party started in germany as the national socialist party or something but then hitler took it over and it became what we think of nazis today. a bunch of rascist people who promote violence towards others. a hitler nazi would believe the aryan race to be the perfect race and any other to be inferior thus should be eliminated. basically they believe in social darwinism.

[h&s]

The Nazis started out as the National German Workers Party, then changed into the National Socialists when Hitler was in charge.
They were always evil as they had the word national in their title, and that always means racism.

Anyway, surely you are not a leftist if you want to kill people just for having a political opinon (even if it is an evil xenophobic one)

[The idealist]

Saying that nazis believe in social darwinisme is rather an insult to Darwin and his theory. Do you see elephants hunting each other down and killing each other?

Darwins theory simply boils down to "Survival of the fittest" (eg. Survival of the one that "fits" and adapts/evolves into the environment).

Nazis deliberatly misinterprit this as "Survival of the strongest" (eg. I am the king of the castle, and all others are a bunch of misfits.)

As to the debate about "killing" nazis, I can only think of this quote from a book called "Night watch"

"It is a good idea to think of who your enemy really is"

"How about the guy who is trying to stick a sword in your belly?"

"True, but sometimes it pays to be a little less focused"

I am not saying that the nazis cannot help being nazis, but I am saying that we do not generate hate ourselves. Hate comes from the outside, we only let it grow inside us.

To make a point. Hitting each other because of our political ideals only succedes in pissing both parties off. Sometimes we have to try other methods.

Come on. We must have better ways of beating nazisme other than beating ten kinds of crap out of them.

[BOZG]

hobosexual,

From your reply, I'd say you don't know what a Nazi is. Nazis are not just some group of racists who had people killed, there's a scientific analysis used to determine the difference between Nazism and dictatorship.

Do I call for the rolling back of all democratic rights?
Do I use nationalism and racism to scapegoat?
Do I attempt to crush the workers' movement?
Do I believe in creating a massive state appartus and enshrining it?

No, I do not believe in any of these, a short list of policies necessary to class any movement as a form of Nazism. Stop using Nazism as a political swearword and actually use it where it is necessary.


EDIT: Misread something

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by hobosexual@Jun 3 2004, 06:15 AM
that is a stupid question. i hate them too, if that's what your getting at, i just don't solve my problems with violence.

and just so you don't post a reply by saying, well you didn't answer my question so you must not know what a nazi is..

the nazi party started in germany as the national socialist party or something but then hitler took it over and it became what we think of nazis today. a bunch of rascist people who promote violence towards others. a hitler nazi would believe the aryan race to be the perfect race and any other to be inferior thus should be eliminated. basically they believe in social darwinism.

You ignore the ideological nature of society. You are suggesting that by condoning certain acts of violence one endears violence towards oneself (presumably from one's enemies) and cultivates the use of violence by members of society towards one another. Or at least, that is the idea most bourgeois liberals have.

However, this is not true. Clear ideological divisions exist in society, therefore acts of violence can be defined as ideological acts in many cases; violence can be an extension of ideological struggle. Of course, one should condemn indiscriminate violence and violence resulting from self-interest. But, there are instances where violence can be used in a useful manner, in fact I would say it is essential in some circumstances.

On occasion, to do good one must involve in evil.

[hobosexual]

hobosexual,

From your reply, I'd say you don't know what a Nazi is. Nazis are not just some group of racists who had people killed, there's a scientific analysis used to determine the difference between Nazism and dictatorship.

Do I call for the rolling back of all democratic rights?
Do I use nationalism and racism to scapegoat?
Do I attempt to crush the workers' movement?
Do I believe in creating a massive state appartus and enshrining it?

No, I do not believe in any of these, a short list of policies necessary to class any movement as a form of Nazism. Stop using Nazism as a political swearword and actually use it where it is necessary.


EDIT: Misread something

This post has been edited by BornOfZapatasGuns on Jun 3 2004, 08:32 PM

true, i really did stereotype nazism, (im not sure if that's the right word for it so correct me if im wrong.) but that is the first thing that comes to my mind when i hear nazism, cause the term is used more today as an insult than talking about a political party.

[MiniOswald]

yer maybe beating the living crap outta nazis aint always the best way to deal with them but sometimes its necessary.

Generally they aint gonna compromise with anyone they dont agree with, they're too radical for that.

I suppose that if they existed in a state as long as tehy didnt actually hurt anyone you wouldnt have to kill them, but if they dont obey, crush the fascist pieces of shite.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by The idealist@Jun 3 2004, 10:37 AM
Darwins theory simply boils down to "Survival of the fittest" (eg. Survival of the one that "fits" and adapts/evolves into the environment).

Nazis deliberatly misinterprit this as "Survival of the strongest" (eg. I am the king of the castle, and all others are a bunch of misfits.)

Yeah, they have all this supremacists ideas. Cappies do too.
You know, "we whiteys are so great and all those mexican alien niggers that live thanks to our taxes and all those lazy poor idiots should perish because was say so".

I will take it a step further; ALL fascists should be immediately executed.

Maybe. Or maybe they should be put in a zoo as lucid and CI wants us "commie pukes" to be. Of course they should be in there too. That would be entertaining.

[h&s]

Muslims are filthy Nazi animals

Have you ever noticed how much Nazis call other people Nazis?

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by hammer&sickleforever@Jun 7 2004, 03:44 PM

Muslims are filthy Nazi animals

Have you ever noticed how much Nazis call other people Nazis?

Did you consider what I said in my post above, since it was addressed at you.