BNP election leaflets

[h&s]

I don't know about the generals, but they are definitely going for counci and european elections.

[h&s]

"accidently" drop the BNP leaflets in water!

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by hammer&sickleforever@Jun 2 2004, 09:22 AM
I don't know about the generals, but they are definitely going for counci and european elections.

Maybe the fee to be a candidate for council and European elections is a lot less than that of parliamentary candidacy.

[h&s]

Yeah, but if that is the reason they will soon be able to afford it as they claim to be the fastest growing party in the country, with 16% of the country supporting them (I actually read the leaflet&#33
That party really do worry me and, I think they stand a chance of being voted in in about 10 years time if things carry on like they are at the moment.

[Saint-Just]

That 16% is rubbish. I don't think they will grow very far. They will be able to afford to stand in some constituencies for parliamentary candidacy. You pay about £1000 to stand and get he money back only if you attain a certain number of votes.

[Kez]

hammer,

i think that timeline assumes somehow that the status quo will remain, the situation wont change, and the major parties wont change.

Of course the economics climate is getting worse, therefore trade unions become more radical, as they become more radical they become more socialist and therefore anti-fascist.
Once the unions (with the workers inside) start tackling fascism, then the BNP do not have a hope in hell.

The unions will work on 2 fronts.
1) Locally they will show the local BNP scum for who they are, and isolate them from voters and possible supporters
2) Working in the Labour PArty, they will push forward a more progressive policy which will create jobs and better welfare etc etc which will tackle peoples fears of losing jobs, NHS, edducation etc etc

What we need to do is to get rid of the Trade Union bureaucracy, and radicalise it, you can do this by being a young worker, and joining a union,even if u work part time, its something like 25p a week membership (at least at the T&G union it is)

However we fight, we must fight WITH the workers, not isolated from them.

[Kez]

The LP isnt a top-down structure, i would know as a member.

As for fighting fascism, you propose to do it by splitting the Left vote? very good.

I hope your not trying to take credit for the CWU non-deliverance of BNP leaflets, this was workers doing it themselves in Wales, with no aid by yourselves.

As for organising meetings, hows this, you join the LP, go to branch meeting, and say you wanna choose the topic and speak. Here you are, presented with 50 workers, and you start talking about the need to get rid of capitalism.

Or you could put 1000 posters in the town centre, get a shitty room, have 8 people come in (3 of which from your own party) and talk to them. Which is getting to workers easier?

(By the way im doing the former on the topic on Venezuela in July, having already done the latter 2 months ago)

[Kez]

What legislation has SWP passed?
Who said Labour Party had a good set of socialist points? Not me, i just said this is where we should be working.
We'll be there coz were not ultra left secterians. I think only time will tell comrade, and then we'll bring this thread back

"In Britain, the following day, on Wednesday March 24, a meeting was held in the House of Commons to speak out against the smoke screen that the mass media has created to obscure the issue of the Venezuelan revolution. The meeting, organised by left Labour MP John McDonnell – who is a supporter of the Hands Off Venezuela Campaign – was used to publicise and explain the Early Day Motion (EDM 854) being introduced into Parliament.

EDM 854

That this House condemns the interference of the United States of America in the internal democratic affairs of the Republic of Venezuela and in particular its covert attempts to secure the removal of President Chavez, whose government has used the country's considerable oil reserves to launch a programme to tackle poverty, including specific measures targeted at women, such as the constitutional recognition of unwaged housework as economically productive, entitling housewives to social security benefits, the prioritisation of single mothers and indigenous people for land distribution, the guaranteeing of food for pregnant women and nursing mothers, and the significant increase in access to education and decent housing for the poor.

An Early Day Motion is a motion with no fixed date for debate. In reality, it is a device used to draw attention to a particular issue and to elicit support by inviting other MPs to add their signatures to it. Most are never actually debated. So far 20 MPs have added their names to this motion. EDM 854 puts a heavy emphasis on the position of women in Venezuela – which is indeed a very important question – at least partly because it was originally put forward by a group called Global Women’s strike.

Pablo Sanchez addressed the meeting on behalf of the Hands Off Venezuela Campaign. The audience consisting of around 30 people showed a great deal of interest in developing a campaign in Britain to support the revolutionary movement in Venezuela.

Alan Simpson MP (Labour), Secretary of the Socialist Campaign Group of MPs agreed to sponsor the campaign and to canvass for further support in Parliament. This is an important step in building support in the British labour movement for the revolutionary process in Venezuela and against the intrigues of US imperialism.

In a further development, this weekend the national conference of the National Union of Journalists – whose General Secretary, Jeremy Dear, is a sponsor of the campaign – will discuss a motion to support the new Venezuelan trade union, the UNT."

[h&s]

Bach to the BNP. Even though what they claim on their leaflet is rubbish, the fact remains that they are growing very quickly.
If the housing markets crash in the next few years (they will crash, its just when) and the BNP are like they are now, they would make massive gains at an election.

[Kez]

assuming the Left do nothing.

[h&s]

Thats why I'm saying this; we need to do something, and we need to do it now.
Print off some of those anti-fascist leaflets and stick them round your home town.
Its not much, but its a start.