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All over the world native people are forced to fight such institutions as Evergreen and Haliburton.
The companies are unified, and Native People in Brazil, Venezula and North America are seeing they are fighting the same fight over natural resources all through the world.
Should we help them in this battle as a unifying factor towards social justice.
It seems Che really saw Native struggles in America as key to Communist doctrine in reality.
<span style=\'color:blue\'> "The necrophilous person can relate to an object--a flower or a person--only if he possesses it; hence a threat to his possession is a threat to himself . . He loves control, and in the act of controlling he kills life." <span style=\'color:red\'>[Erich Fromm, "The Heart of Man"] </span></span>
<span style=\'colorurple\'> It is not the unloved who intitiate disaffection, but those who cannot love because they only love themselves."</span> <span style=\'color:red\'>Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed</span>
I'm not very familiar with the culture of South American natives. In Canada they have had alot of their culture wiped-out completely, they could give two shits about the thunderbird or the raven if you know what I'm saying. Resersvations have enough trouble, just trying to get the fund right for survival and rehabilitation purposes. Their environment really doesn't relate to their survival anymore.
As an Anarchist, I strangely find myself getting along better with Maoists than Platformists!
...in Canada, maybe. But I remember having read about some African lake's fish population being saved by giving the ultimate power over fishing rights to some tribal chief who made decisions in communion with spirits and what do I know... guess there's a reason that tribe survived for thousands of years from fishing without depleting the fish population...
I have many native friends, who still to this day depend on the environment for survival, hunting both moose and deer for meat, some of which I have been fortunate in consuming :P
First Nations people also depend on harvesting natural plant life, as well as logging which can be exchanged for economic means, however, my friends only work in a very small group and only take what they need from the environment for survival.
This is what was first promissed to them when the original treaty was signed dating back to the late 1700's
The native rights stretch this far only, in turn, natives are now finding new resistance to their rights especially with logging and hunting rights!
peace yall
LOLOriginally posted by Rasta Sapian@May 29 2004, 07:43 AM
I have many native friends, who still to this day depend on the environment for survival, hunting both moose and deer for meat, some of which I have been fortunate in consuming :P
First Nations people also depend on harvesting natural plant life, as well as logging which can be exchanged for economic means, however, my friends only work in a very small group and only take what they need from the environment for survival.
This is what was first promissed to them when the original treaty was signed dating back to the late 1700's
The native rights stretch this far only, in turn, natives are now finding new resistance to their rights especially with logging and hunting rights!
Sounds like you know some pretty stereotypical natives there Rasta.
I have to admit I haven't known many rural natives (at least not on a very personal basis). That shit does shit-all for urban natives, they are still ghettoized.
As an Anarchist, I strangely find myself getting along better with Maoists than Platformists!
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Sounds like you know some pretty stereotypical natives there Rasta.
I have to admit I haven't known many rural natives (at least not on a very personal basis). That shit does shit-all for urban natives, they are still ghettoized. [/quote]
This statement is might white of you Red Canada.
Often families try to continue their heritage despite hardships that may cause them to move off the reservation for work. Still many Native people in Canada live in rural areas, not everyone that lives in urban areas is completely urban.
I base my arguement on past relationships with Navaho and Apache people in New Mexico who had to leave the reservation to study at the university but still kept their cultural ties and ceremonies, but in private from most whites.
I was trusted because I'm a freak and strange in some way that is different which I don't understand, but is what they tell me. I thought it profound that I received a card at graduation from members of the Navaho community of Gallup saying that I was a true Revolutionary! This was before I had decided towards socialism, strange. I guess I've been guided!
Anyhoo, someone can walk the red path no matter where they live. It is not for you to know if they do.
<span style=\'color:blue\'> "The necrophilous person can relate to an object--a flower or a person--only if he possesses it; hence a threat to his possession is a threat to himself . . He loves control, and in the act of controlling he kills life." <span style=\'color:red\'>[Erich Fromm, "The Heart of Man"] </span></span>
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I have native friends who live both on and off the reserves, both coping well with our modern way of life and fast paced economy.
Yes, they do depend on thier rural life for a better living, this is re-inforcesed by their native rights. I do honestly feel for the urban reservations, I have lived in winnipeg, and know all to well of the inner-city tribes, what rights do they have?
where do they hunt? where do they harvest wood and other natural resources?
not off portage thats for sure, that is why our government is so important, for the responsibility and overall similation into the canadian society!
I fear that the much needed funding of first nations social programs will be lost if we allow the conservative party into power with its american style tax cuts and overfunding the war=illusion on terrorism!
peace yall
peace yall
I thought i posted in this topic before, but it must have been a very similar one. I think fighting with the natives for the preservation of the environment or sacred lands is essential for equality. After all, if we shrug it off and they lose hope, the culture suffers. No one has the right to discriminate or shatter anyone else's culture.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come."
- Victor Hugo -
It takes courage to stand up for what you know is right, but it takes more courage to be the only one standing.
Greenpeace did this in the Great Bear Forest of British Columbia a few years back. They also got an end to clear cutting out there too.
I didn't mean to give the impression that I am against native environmental rights, or even environmentalism.
Pandora,
It sounds like these Navaho natives have it much better than the Salish of the west coast. At least they can understand that being a "revolutionary" is good. Natives here are as fooled if not more than the european Canadaians, that "marxism" is "wrong". Matter of fact I got dumped by the both the native girls I've ever had a relationship with, because they started to belive I was a "geek", for talking about politics (they liked be better when I was a loser drug-addict, go figure).
The natives here do have some of the old ceremonies, but since the potlatch (a ceremony in which different native families within a tribe get together and share food and materials) was banned in the 1800's, it has mostly been replaced (by the imperialists and colonialists) with a bottle of rum.
Whilst I see rural hippies fighting with logging companies along-side the "token native tribes" (in whichever area they might be), I also see native women as young as 12 on the streets of Vancouver prostituting. I see native people with no knowledge of anything but material wealth, living in run-down projects. I see young native people who consider the selfless ways of their elders to be completely pointless. I'm sorry if you don't see me jumping for joy, to know that one particular native tribe (way out in the bush) can legally log their land.
As an Anarchist, I strangely find myself getting along better with Maoists than Platformists!
In New Mexico I was well aware of Tribal Elders who were traitors and took nuclear waste on the Mescalero land tainting streams for live stock AGAINST the wishes of their people.Originally posted by redcanada@Jun 7 2004, 01:23 AM
Pandora,
It sounds like these Navaho natives have it much better than the Salish of the west coast. At least they can understand that being a "revolutionary" is good. Natives here are as fooled if not more than the european Canadaians, that "marxism" is "wrong". Matter of fact I got dumped by the both the native girls I've ever had a relationship with, because they started to belive I was a "geek", for talking about politics (they liked be better when I was a loser drug-addict, go figure
The natives here do have some of the old ceremonies, but since the potlatch (a ceremony in which different native families within a tribe get together and share food and materials) was banned in the 1800's, it has mostly been replaced (by the imperialists and colonialists) with a bottle of rum.
Whilst I see rural hippies fighting with logging companies along-side the "token native tribes" (in whichever area they might be), I also see native women as young as 12 on the streets of Vancouver prostituting. I see native people with no knowledge of anything but material wealth, living in run-down projects. I see young native people who consider the selfless ways of their elders to be completely pointless. I'm sorry if you don't see me jumping for joy, to know that one particular native tribe (way out in the bush) can legally log their land.
The real issue in Native American politics has been the elections of tribal leaders and the influence of corporate interests, so that has a lot to do with Native lands being used by corporations with blessings by the thugs who got appointed tribal leaders, while driving around the reservation with guns in pick up trucks terrorizing others who would rise up against them.
My good friends father was nominated for tribal elder and shot down, so I understand this a little. I was asked to report on those elections for that tribe later in time but declined, the ferocity of basically the terrorism of these paramilitary honchos similar to those in Chiapas is the reason it is dangerous during election time.
That said there is still a struggle, and I know Mescalero despite the top situation who still lived in the Red Path, so the struggle goes on, even on asphalt, it is a state of mind.
I am sorry the Native ladies find you silly and overly ambitious as far as politics, similar to Chiapas or anywhere where people have been fighting authority of the white man for several hundred years if not longer, they may be humored by what they see as flash in the pan activists, and many have grown disheartened and many people Native or not suffer from depression and alcoholism from grinding poverty.
Native people in North and South America, though, are much more aware of the truth of the hypocrisy than other groups. As a result perhaps this is why they are kept the farthest out of the winners circle in the worst poverty, we stole their land, pure and simple, we tried to erase them, and still are.
Ask any Arizona Rancher what he thinks about giving his land back?
Or surrendering the millions of acres of BLM land back to Native Tribes or even wolves for that matter or wildlife
Hell they won't even allow birds nesting areas on the Rio Grande on BLM land because it hurts access to cattle.
Not to mention the fish, and their backs.
This is a very deep issue.
But at it's core, environmental groups and socialist groups if they are for real and sturdy will find support with Native Americans, they have often come to Rainbow Gatherings and such things which have no money and operate on trade and communist ideals to offer support. Because they know this system is bullshit, it's a facade.
Yeah they may try to get over, so what
Today in a class model I watched: young people pretended they were all the continents of the world but with similar numbers and food shortages, by the end of the game less people were starving, but they had extorted themselves or been sold into slavery to the North American and European Continents.
None of the groups organized.
One group tried extortion and some threatened to bomb, but none of the kids thought to organize.
This takes education and discipline.
<span style=\'color:blue\'> "The necrophilous person can relate to an object--a flower or a person--only if he possesses it; hence a threat to his possession is a threat to himself . . He loves control, and in the act of controlling he kills life." <span style=\'color:red\'>[Erich Fromm, "The Heart of Man"] </span></span>
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I guess the reason that I feel so wish washy on this subject is because I am a white male, and am therefore a symbol of their oppression. Making my point of view useless in their eyes. I just try to stay out of it and keep my eyes on the social situation.
As an Anarchist, I strangely find myself getting along better with Maoists than Platformists!
I see what you mean. But don't necessarily go by that. The natives i've talked with and discussed things with don't actually see me as descendant of a white oppressor. Most know that just because I'm white does not mean that i'm too stupid to see the clear oppression.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come."
- Victor Hugo -
It takes courage to stand up for what you know is right, but it takes more courage to be the only one standing.
