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    Every month or so, there is an article in the papers about how unhealthy the UK population is. These range from horror stories about our kids becoming flabby, lethargic worms to fad diets that endanger your health, with the occasional side issue such as 'dangerous' amounts of colouring in tikka masalas, and food induced allergies.

    So what is portrayed in the papers is a malaise of epidemic proportions. They are of course exaggerating for good copy, but there is a grain of truth buried among the lies and sensationalism. We DO eat too much shit, we DO too little exercise, people DO fall for fad diets advertised by actors in white coats.

    The problem, of course, isn't helped by capitalism, because it requires us to work for longer hours to work for the corporate machine, leaving us less and less time to cook our own food or go jogging or do some other exercise. Our increasingly ineffectual education system piles more and more work onto our children, and this combined with a parent's fear of letting their child outside (Sensationalist media again, with their bigged-up reports of murderers and peadophiles) Meaning our kids rarely leave the house.

    So what is capitalism's solution to this mess? those kindly CEOs at companies like Nestle, Danone and McDonald's, those same people who act like drug dealers in the third world, provide you with instant meals that require little or no preperation, meaning you have more time to slave away at that desk or production line for your oh-so-benevolent masters. Really.
    What you get instead is food that tastes good and is fast but very little else. Except for a lot of fat, sugar and salt, which wouldn't be all that bad if it was offset by roughage, vitamins, carbohydrates and exercise.
    Not to mention that this shit is ruthlessly pushed at you at every opportunity, and that very little care is taken in it's preperation, the wages are subsistence at best in this industry. Inferior products are often used, stuff which would be thrown away even at a 'greasy spoon' resturaunt.

    Other solutions have been proposed, such as 'healthy' diets, mandatory exercise, veganism, vegitarianism, a tax on unhealthy foods, etc. All this refuses to face one single fact; people are bastards when it comes to their eating habits. Numerous attempts have been made at changing people when they eat, but NO attempts have been made to change WHAT people eat. By this I mean making the usual stuff they eat healthier, without extra effort on their part.

    So this is my proposal: we make fast food healthy food as well. Because unless the human race in general stops being 'on the go' there will not be a change in eating habits anytime soon. it really is quite simple. beefburgers are to be made with real beef and not hooves, lips and testicles. the cheese in burgers and pizzas to be made with real cheddar and mozarella respectively, not the sweepings from the factory floor. You get the picture.
    You could do all this under capitalism, and I believe some do. But it's far cheaper to simply scrape whatever you can off the floor and machines, wrap in some fancy paper and sell it off as food. And amazingly, people will buy it. Because people are not only low on time, they're low on money as well. so instead of investing in themselves and buying the healthier fast food when it's available, they grab the bargains and sign away their health as well.

    Under communist society, priorites will change. It's unlikely that fast food will disappear completely, but it is a definite possibility that it will get healthier, and that the sweepings will remain on the floor and in the bin where they belong.

    Real beefburger anyone?
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    While I do know there is a lot of mistreatment of animals and some chemicals and crap put into the food, I have NEVER believed the old theory that the food is made from "sweepings off the floor."

    If you can prove it to me, then I'll believe you. But I have never believed it, and unless I get conclusive evidence that it's true, I probably never will believe it.

    But you're right about the fat plague, people are eating pretty crappily today.
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    Better believe it boy. Especially that squirty cheese stuff that comes in tubes.

    I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
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    No joke.

    Quite recently Cadbury's chocalate were giving promotional vouchers, through schools, to reward kids for doing more exercise.

    In effect they were rewarding calory loss with....well.....calories.

    One other factor contributing to health problems is the excessive use of video games by todays kids. Detrimental to both the body and mind, if played in excess.

    One kid died of a blood clot from playing his X-box, cross legged, for too long.

    Apparently some parents, to quiet their kids just let them play the playstation. Apparently, due to this, some youngsters can barely talk when they reach school age.


    EDIT: Noxion's right on the issueof crap in burgers.

    My local McDonalds got sued after someone discovered jizz (semen) in their burger.
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    videogames. no. capitalism... sorry! videogames also make you strategize, enhance your hand-eye coordination and give you sharper reflexes. Although there are a slew of "mindless" games; especially 10+ years ago.
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    My local McDonalds got sued after someone discovered jizz (semen) in their burger
    Oh come on, you can&#39;t really blame capitalism for that That would have been one of the righteous &#39;workers&#39;. If it wasn&#39;t I&#39;m seriously worried

    As for computer games Streetsweeper has a point - but the majority of video games do nothing to assist you (what do you gain from Postal for example? or Grand Theft Auto? - I enjoy these games, but kids shouldn&#39;t be playing them in all honesty... or at least in proportion). The big problem is really not the gaming industry, but the attitude of many parents towards their children. It&#39;s understandable that the little buggers will piss you off, and you will want peace from them, but once you become a parent you are no longer living for yourself - you become a second priority behind your child (or you&#39;re simply being a bad parent&#33; imho)

    Moderation, as usual, is the key.
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    my dad says moderation.... if only he could follow it himself lol. it is a good strategy you mentioned though.
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    Apparently some parents, to quiet their kids just let them play the playstation.
    As for computer games Streetsweeper has a point - but the majority of video games do nothing to assist you (what do you gain from Postal for example? or Grand Theft Auto? - I enjoy these games, but kids shouldn&#39;t be playing them in all honesty... or at least in proportion
    Children are not the biggest age group in gamers. The most gamers in any age group are in the 18-25 range.
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    Apparently some parents, to quiet their kids just let them play the playstation.
    Ah, so that&#39;s why my old folks never complain about it&#33;

    No, really, they don&#39;t.

    But that&#39;s besides the point...Gaming, or any other vice, is simply no excuse for being a slob.
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    local MCDONALDS near us was shut down for 7 types of semen being found in the mayo
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    local MCDONALDS near us was shut down for 7 types of semen being found in the mayo
    Another reason to avoid mcdonalds.
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    Postal and GTA are great games.

    And I dont give a shit if you get nothing out of them, I get a laugh, which is what the GTA series was all about, being funny... and horrifically violant.
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    what is healthy really??? a bunch of anarexic kids running around... every time i go to the doctor i get told that i am over weight in other words IM HEALTHY&#33;&#33;&#33; :P
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    One other factor contributing to health problems is the excessive use of video games by todays kids. Detrimental to both the body and mind, if played in excess.
    Oh? Darn. I used to go to "all-nighters" at our I-caf in town far too frequently... Hmmm, 16 straight hours of &#39;Counter-Strike&#39;; crisps, chocolate and kebabs to eat; copious amounts of alcohol; no sleep... Unhealthy? Bah. It was fun though&#33;

    Seriously, there&#39;s no problem in eating loads or playing video games. I do both. We had to work out how many calories we consumed per day in Biology, at school, once. (Ahhh, those were the days&#33; Easy, easy school&#33 I think mine was something near 3800. And yet I&#39;ve always been fit. (Well, I look it - the fact that I couldn&#39;t run a mile if I tried is irrelevant. It&#39;s all part of being a student.) 5&#39; 11" and 11st. 6 of pure muscle&#33; Oh yeah&#33; :P

    The key is exercise, for sure&#33; I would impose a strict minimum of 8 hours strenuous physical activity per week in schools. That&#39;d do the trick. My school did more than most, I think, in this respect. Compulsory rugby until year 10... Runs in the rain... Basketball, football, cricket, gymnastics... They even had us doing a term of fitness training&#33;

    Has anyone else completed the notorious "Bleep test"? It, too, should be mandatory.

    Foul places like McDonalds should be avoided at all costs. And they will be - in a Communist society, food will obviously be produced for taste rather than for profit&#33; Ingredients other than rat, semen and e-coli bacteria (all of which have appeared in the legendary &#39;Happy Meal&#39;&#33 can be used; the public need fear no longer&#33; Besides, it&#39;s not as if there are no alternatives. I buy a pasty, sausage roll or sandwich (or all three) when I have occasion to desire "fast food". Tastier, cheaper, more filling AND healthier. Buy pastries, chaps&#33;
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    comrade noxion, what proof do you have of mcdonalds burgers comprising of cow testicles? can you substantiate any of your other claims as well?
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    Oh? Darn. I used to go to "all-nighters" at our I-caf in town far too frequently... Hmmm, 16 straight hours of &#39;Counter-Strike&#39;; crisps, chocolate and kebabs to eat; copious amounts of alcohol; no sleep... Unhealthy? Bah. It was fun though&#33;
    Damn right&#33;
    The excessive eating I cannot condone though. All that crap you eat was waste labour to create, wasted labour to consume, and still doesn&#39;t satisfy anyone

    I mean what good comes of a curly-wurly?

    what proof do you have of mcdonalds burgers comprising of cow testicles? can you substantiate any of your other claims as well?
    Evidently you&#39;ve never worked in the catering industry
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    The excessive eating I cannot condone though. All that crap you eat was waste labour to create, wasted labour to consume, and still doesn&#39;t satisfy anyone.

    I mean what good comes of a curly-wurly?
    It satisfied me - and I&#39;m sure I&#39;m not the only one that enjoys eating a &#39;Curly-Wurly&#39;&#33; (Having said that, I happen to prefer &#39;Crunchies&#39;...)

    I don&#39;t think you can use that argument, comrade... If you follow it through, everything must be created along the lines of efficiency. No-one can create anything else, for fear of wasting labour - we&#39;d all end up driving the same car, wearing a drab grey and eating gruel, stale bread and cheese&#33;&#33;

    In a Communist state, the productive capacity to fashion "luxary" (i.e. above the mere utility level) goods would certainly exist - so why not use it? Admittedly, there is a lot of unnecessary waste circling around at the moment; excessive packaging and the like, though this can easily be curbed.

    Besides, if one of the consequences of the revolution was a complete and total lack of chocolate based snacks, I&#39;m sure you would find widespread resistance to the very notion of social upheaval&#33;
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    I don&#39;t think you can use that argument, comrade... If you follow it through, everything must be created along the lines of efficiency. No-one can create anything else, for fear of wasting labour - we&#39;d all end up driving the same car, wearing a drab grey and eating gruel, stale bread and cheese&#33;&#33;
    ...
    I live like that anyway&#33;

    It&#39;s a sad fact, but I&#39;m not sure how much of a place individuality really has in communism. I&#39;d dearly like to think the two were compatible, but I&#39;m not so sure <_<

    if one of the consequences of the revolution was a complete and total lack of chocolate based snacks, I&#39;m sure you would find widespread resistance to the very notion of social upheaval&#33;
    The problem here is that there&#39;s every likelyhood that it would... at least in the early years.
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    Considering that vegetable protein costs significantly less the meat I don&#39;t know why people still eat meat all the time. (In fact since I&#39;m cooking only for my self I haven&#39;t eaten any meat at all. The largest part of my food budget is eggs and cheese (which are still cheaper then meat).)

    Considering you can make great tasting meals with fresh vegetables and lentils or beans that can be cooked and prepared (ignoring time to prepare beans) in less the 30 minutes I don&#39;t know why people still eat crap like MacDonalds or KFC. Sure if you are out you might want cheap fast food but surely there is a small business near by?

    And the issue of exercise, how hard is it to get up 20 minutes earlier so you can walk to school/uni/work/wherever? It takes me 10 minutes to walk to uni and about 20 minutes to walk to the shops (and slightly longer coming back, up hill and heavy pack). This keeps me fit, I&#39;m not using petrol in either a car or bus (though I use a bus for longer distances) and it gives me time to think about things.
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    Originally posted by NoXion@May 11 2004, 10:14 AM

    Real beefburger anyone?
    Excellent point&#33; because of the neglegence of the beef industry, beef will never be the same for me.
    Ever since mad cow came out I have become very disillusioned. They feed cows to cows, and thats how the cows get infected&#33; If a cow eats another cow&#39;s infected brain then they can get it, and since its all about money and they never said they&#39;d stop giving cows to other cows, their "regualtions" dont do any thing for me.
    Why should I believe that hamburger isnt a brain?

    Mad cow disease is the result of capitalism&#33; And its rediculous, i dont like meat in general, but I was so angry when people seemed to let it blow over&#33; Their poising us because they want to see how far their investments can go.
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