Left-Wing Vs. Right-Wing

[DSCH]

...............Left-Wing.............................................. .........Vs....................................... ..............Right-Wing


http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalc...tremeright.html

Once you accept that left and right are merely measures of economic position, the "extreme right" refers to extremely liberal economics that may be practised by social authoritarians or social libertarians.

Similarly, the "extreme left" identifies a strong degree of state economic control, which may also be accompanied by liberal or authoritarian social policies.

[BuyOurEverything]

Man don't make me post that illuminati conspiracy again.

[Essential Insignificance]

What nonsense…it seems to be a little out of date…among many other crucial inaccuracies.

Australia-Democratic Socialism

[Monty Cantsin]

that scale is wrong, Fascism is right wing to say the least.

[Nyder]

Originally posted by Essential Insignificance@Apr 24 2004, 08:02 AM
What nonsense…it seems to be a little out of date…among many other crucial inaccuracies.

Australia-Democratic Socialism

Well I wouldn't really call Australia a 'democracy'. More like a muted version that is self serving to two very dominant political parties. The Government is very large, though, and has socialist leanings in the form of income distribution (like most governments).

[Invader Zim]

The political compass is far better: -

[sh0cker]

I woulden't agree on Gandhi on the first place..

Second, Australia is DEMOCRATIC!

[Misodoctakleidist]

I think it's funny how they describe communism as "all government"

Left-Right is more about the relationship between the government and companies than the "size" of the government.

I think political compass is pretty good, at least, the best political spectrum I've seen.

[BuyOurEverything]

At the top, it says Forms of Economic Orginization, not Forms of Government Orginization or control. Also, if you go to the site that picture is hosted, you will find one other picture, documenting how a satanic (socialist) cult controls the world throught the Bilderburg Corporation, The United Nations, and Japan. It sort of gives a little context to the image DSCH posted

http://www.tliquest.net/truth/

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by BuyOurEverything@Apr 24 2004, 04:39 PM
At the top, it says Forms of Economic Orginization, not Forms of Government Orginization or control. Also, if you go to the site that picture is hosted, you will find one other picture, documenting how a satanic (socialist) cult controls the world throught the Bilderburg Corporation, The United Nations, and Japan. It sort of gives a little context to the image DSCH posted

http://www.tliquest.net/truth/

The compass still true. Poisoning the well won't stop it being so.

[Misodoctakleidist]

If it's true then how is communism "all government?"

[BuyOurEverything]

At the top, it says Forms of Economic Orginization, not Forms of Government Orginization or control.

No compass that claims to classify economic arangements would put anarchism just to the right of laissez-faire capitalism. Even you must agree with that.

[Funky Monk]

What's the problem with that?

Left/Right has no relevance on this chart, just economic interventialism. Anarchy is slightly to the right of a laissez faire ideology in that it demonstrates slightly less government involvment in individual economic pursuit.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by DSCH@Apr 24 2004, 06:14 AM
...............Left-Wing.............................................. .........Vs....................................... ..............Right-Wing

According to that crappy view of "those who want to enslave that glorious anonymous entity i call individual on the left and the glorious freedom on the rgith even if i t means that 10% control your economical life and only give you freedom if you agree with them", where do i stand?

[Osman Ghazi]

Anarchy is slightly to the right of a laissez faire ideology in that it demonstrates slightly less government involvment in individual economic pursuit.

What? Anarchy as a political system has the same outcome as communism. After they have been achieved, the two would be almost identical.

[DSCH]

Originally posted by Osman Ghazi@Apr 24 2004, 09:05 PM

Anarchy is slightly to the right of a laissez faire ideology in that it demonstrates slightly less government involvment in individual economic pursuit.

What? Anarchy as a political system has the same outcome as communism. After they have been achieved, the two would be almost identical.

That's like saying that the end goal of Nazism is anarchy...

Marxism is the opposite of anarchy.

[toastedmonkey]

The political compass is crap

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by DSCH+Apr 24 2004, 09:46 PM--> (DSCH @ Apr 24 2004, 09:46 PM)

Osman Ghazi

@Apr 24 2004, 09:05 PM

Anarchy is slightly to the right of a laissez faire ideology in that it demonstrates slightly less government involvment in individual economic pursuit.

What? Anarchy as a political system has the same outcome as communism. After they have been achieved, the two would be almost identical.

That's like saying that the end goal of Nazism is anarchy...

Marxism is the opposite of anarchy. [/b]

Ignorant.

The classical "anarchism vs. leninism" discussion is based on the role of the state on such a revolution. You need to learn a bit more about history and the meaning of terms like "marxism", "communism", "anarchism", "nazism", "class struggle", "leninism", "anarcho-capitalism", "First International and the Marx - Bakunin conflict/discussion".

typical capitalist idiocy. Inform yourself about such things before arguing about something you dont understand. Maybe you should stop guiding yourself by every single thing you hear from other "individualists freedom-loving capitalists".

Here's are some nice quotes tthat i have here that might help you:

Frederick Engels:

"In reality, however, the state is nothing but a machine for the oppression of one class by another..."

Rudolf Rocker:

"As long as a possessing and a non-possessing group of human beings face one another in enmity within society, the state will be indispensable to the possessing minority for the protection of its privileges."

and:

"As long as within society a possessing and a non-possessing group of human beings face one another in enmity, the state will be indispensable to the possessing minority for the protection of its privileges."

Lenin:

"So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state."

Mikhail Bakunin:

"I am not a Communist because Communism unites all forces of society in the state and becomes absorbed in it; because it inevitably leads to the concentration of all property in the hands of the state, while I seek the abolition of the state*the complete elimination of the principle of authority and governmental guardianship, which under the pretence of making men moral and civilising them, has up to now always enslaved, oppressed, exploited and ruined them."

[DSCH]

So why do Communists set up Communist governments which are the opposite of anarchy?

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by DSCH@Apr 25 2004, 12:20 AM
So why do Communists set up Communist goverments which are the opposite of anarchy?

That's part of the leninist tradition of the "vanguard party" which takes power in "the name of the workers" because it seems that according to them it is "necessary" because "masses are stupid" and they "aren't fit to govern", so we should "install a dictatorship in their name" even if that unintentionally generates another class system (proletariate + those who controls the economy in their name), a dangerous thing. Also they claim that "anarchy" is an "utopia" or "a leftist petit-bourgeois tendency" and that we should stop capitalism before it's process it's over (which is something that can be far from happening), even if it means stopping the best things that capitalism has (which aren't many but that can become very useful, such as some technological improvements that can be necessary in the future and that can come out of capitalist competition).