why cant they just adopt?
Cloning livers and lung tissue would be really usefull why be against it you would wipe out cystic fibrosis (if thats how you spell it)
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whats wrong with reproductive cloning? it could offer new hope to couples who want to have a child but cant for some reason such as being sterile or homosexual couples
why cant they just adopt?
Cloning livers and lung tissue would be really usefull why be against it you would wipe out cystic fibrosis (if thats how you spell it)
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nixon... that will be done with stem cells ... it is a great point...
It is connected to cloning but it is quite differernt... it has it's advantages for curing diseases but it is unhuman {in a way, and very human by the same part} to do this...this clone is indeed a human thing...
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yes, we should clone hundreds of thousands, we could create an new army of deformed workers to build me a great pyramid higher than the ones in egept, as a new burial place for ME your new pharoh, RASTA SAPIAN!
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Anybody thought of cloning humans as a labour-saving device?
We could clone them so they are only capable of doing a small range of tasks, and have limited reasoning ability.
It may sound a bit Brave New World-ish but it might turn out to be cheaper than robots. And have lower maintenance too.
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Did anyone read Aldan Huxley.
"The Brave New World" and "Back in the Brave New World" this are two books he wrote and everyone should read it.
May I mention that the first book was written in 1949 but today it's more actual than ever. (It's not a fiction book but visionare)
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however i know the medical benifits of cloning and i see no problem, grow a liver good idea,
but cloning, cloning humans , like the clone dolly the sheep, is a bad thing i see no good coming from it fuck the television and the brave new world, seriously i see clones of humans as an actual bad thing and you said your self other than medical use there is no purpose,
I did mention a use for human cloning:
This means we could send the 'drones' to places that are harmful to humans; a disposable workforce.
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Adopt and clone has one significent different, the clone will still have your set up of DNA. When you adopt the "only" thing you have to that child is your love to it.
The use of cloning will of course be only for the rich world.
I'm pro as long we talk about modify food like tomatoes and potatoes, think if we one day will be able to grow potatoes out in the Sahara desert? With that big of a fieald to grow food on many people can get fed.
But then once again, will they be able to afford the, most likely, very expensive product?
Today there already is a couple of drugs that only can be produced with the help of DNA modifying, among them is Insulin to them with Diabetis, these drugs haven't bumped into many protests; why is that? Probably because it is easier to criticise something you haven't drawn benefit from!
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Mass reproductive cloning could cause evolutionary stagnation.
It limits the gene pool as well, one mass desease could wipe out huge ammounts of the population.
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The better we get at twiddling the human genome, the better drones we can make!
If that happens, just go back to the drawing vat and inoculate the drones if we don't want them to die so quickly.
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a disposable workforce. = cannon fodder!!
When are people going to stop relating the fictional works of Aldous Huxley and George Orwell to modern politics and science?
Listen comrades, these books are FICTIONAL STORIES. Their resemblences to the "real" world that are beyond the scope of common sense are almost nil.
Not exactly. Stem cells are simply cells that have the ability to reproduce themselves indefinitely. Somatic and non somatic stem cells are used in the cloning process.
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I understand your point, but these books provide a 'gateway' into a field that so many find dull and boring. Of the people that read books in the world (there are people who don't, strange as it sounds) fiction gets picked FAR more than political theory. Surely having fiction that allows room for thought such as these can only be a good thing?
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It however becomes quite damaging when you relate it like scripture to modern day scenarios.
For instance, Mr. Cube's opinion of cloning has been shaped by the fictional predictions (that were written for entertainment mind you) of one person.
It's simply an absurd way to develop an opinion on a subject. I have noticed that when these opinions are addressed with actual fact, those facts are completely ignored and the "more dramatic" of the two remains firmly set.
No wonder Hollywood is such a money maker. "Global disaster" sells tickets.
Lets face it, modern HGE is only "exciting" to those that truly understand and are "turned on" by its processes and implications.
How much money would a 4 hour film set around an actual research lab make?
None. The geeks that would see the film are too busy.
Go back and read this thread, notice how it naturally falls into line with the completely fallicious yet "more exiting" world of "cloning".
What a bore.
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this is because a vast majority of anti-ge protesters are concerned about the enviromnetal effects of the tech in the living environment and the health ramifications of eting ge foods.
very very very few have any problems the tech being used in the labatory -they're not all luddites
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all i see is that were spending billions on trying to make more humans when we have an over populated world. And people are being born naturally by the minute.
Overpopulation isn't really the problem we make it out to be.
Cloning is largely useless in the way we currently use it. I suppose it could have alot more potential in the future, if laws don't hold it back. Cloning could mean, women could one day have the option not to give birth to their children. It could mean two men could mix their DNA together, insert it into an egg and grow it in a tube. It could mean we could completely alter the human genome to put in traits we found useful, it could mean quite a few things, but has very little practical purpose (other then growing organs ofcourse) at the current time.
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Cloning will just be used as another way the burgeoisie exploits the people. They can throw us away and make as many as they want.
Human life will mean nothing.
Who has the right to keep that at their despense.
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