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  1. 23rd January 2002, 00:48 #1
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    My first post here, and I have to say I'm still pretty uneducated about communism, and Marx, but i'm really interested in it so.. expect me to be here awhile :P (or as long as it takes the U$ federalli to find me and put me away for treason :P)

    I noticed lots of U$ bashing, and being a U$ resident... I COMPLETLEY AGREE WITH ALL OF IT. Our government has the masses so damn brainwashed, and content with their current state, that they wouldn't even think about leaving their houses to protest, demonstrate, or do anything but sit on their asses and nod their heads at whatever the pea-brained 'president', says.

    My main question was.... Do you think there will ever be a revolution in the U$A? And if so, how do you think it will come about? Cuz I know for a fact that if any group rose up against the capitalist suits that enslave my people, and control every part of the government (altho its supposedly by the people, for the people), that I'd be right with em on any field or platform they chose to speak out from... if they weren't just street thugs, or a power hungry terrorist group of course.

    I dunno, maybe that was all nonsense. Basically what I'm sayin is, I'm ready to fight if I have to. Also I'm seriously considering moving to Cuba or even south america and join up with a group of some sort.. not neccesarily a violent one, but one that wants change, and see's america for what it is... america blows.

    Wish I was alive when good ol' Che was...

    PS. I prolly sound insane.. but believe me i'm not.. I'm just starting to take all this in, and i think it's making me a bit over excited... :P

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  2. 23rd January 2002, 01:30 #2
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    No, it's not nonsense comrade, and don't let any of the champagne revolutionary hippies on this forum tell you that it is. You're on the right path.
    Keep in mind, however, that the disadvantage of any revolution in Latin America will be severely hampered, first by US aid and maybe direct military intervention during the revolution itself, and then if it succeeds, both economically and militarily, like Cuba. However, if you absolutely can't wait, you could gain valuable experience in Latin America. It's good to keep in mind, however, that many guerrilla groups there might be very wary of Americans, and that once they let you in, they might not be so eager about letting you out.


    (Edited by CheGuevara at 2:42 am on Jan. 23, 2002)
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    Welcome to the forum comrade 9mm. You sound just like an American citizen with their eyes open. Nice to see some more of those. I like your quote as well and I think you will equally enjoy mine.

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  4. 23rd January 2002, 01:52 #4
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    Quote: from CheGuevara on 2:30 am on Jan. 23, 2002
    No, it's not nonsense comrade, and don't let any of the champagne revolutionary hippies on this forum tell you that it is.
    Dammit CheG, why is it that every time I'm trying to relax and I open a new thread you're attacking me? Of course, there is no such thing as a champagne hippie or a Starbucks hippie and I don't live near or want to live near a Starbucks and can't afford champagne. Why is it that you'll call random folks "comrade" until that you find their methods differ from yours (oh, wait--your methods are nonexistant and you haven't done a damn thing, but you "advocate" something different than I do) and then you'll hurl random insults at them? If you hate me, fine. There's nothing I can do about that. But my hair is way too thick to be hippie hair, I don't wear hemp or sandals and as I've already told you a million times I don't drink champagne or coffee. The least you can do is call me a "'textured'-haired revolutionary" or a "Jones soda and Dos XX (and Manischewitz on Pesach) leftist."

    9mm, welcome. There are threads that have already been started on this in the Socialism vs. Capitalism and General Political Topics forums. Of course, you do have to fight and I'm glad that you're ready. Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting is a great organization that tries to shut down untruthful pro-government rhetoric and getting involved with them would be a great place to start anti-"brainwashing" activity. If you want to get involved with Latin American activities, go to NarcoNews. Al Giordano always either reports from Latin America or translates articles from Latin America if their content is not released by the English-speaking press. He has interviewed rebels in the Chapare and written about the Zapatistas. (He wrote about the Zapatistas in The Nation as well.)

    Besides the fact that violent revolution would probably never work, especially in America. (If you're interested in the reasons why, just ask. If you want some pro-violence CheG would probably supply it, although he still hasn't given me proof that I asked him for a while ago.) Nonviolent means are often more effective than violent means, and you may learn that in many cases violence can actually do a lot of harm to a cause.

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  5. 23rd January 2002, 17:21 #5
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    CheGueavara, unless you know someone personally you hardly can call someone a champagne revolutionary. You don't know what ppl like IWDY are doing in private life. It's important what you are doing for a better world and not how radical someones posts on a bb are!
    Please stop your endless personal attacks on everyone who does not agrees with you!
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  6. 23rd January 2002, 23:39 #6
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    It's a sad day when the owner of the a Che Guevara message board is defending champagne revolutionaries.
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    Quote: from CheGuevara on 12:39 am on Jan. 24, 2002
    It's a sad day when the owner of the a Che Guevara message board is defending champagne revolutionaries.
    It's an even sadder day when someone who claims to know so much can't even figure out a good insult for someone he hates so much. Champagne revolutionary? Give me a break. At least you are acknowledging that I am a revolutionary, however, because as far as I can tell you haven't given up a damn thing for any cause. All you've given up is your time, to insult someone who gives you the privilige of posting on this board.
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  8. 24th January 2002, 00:07 #8
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    Where did I claim to know so much? I don't hold a college education over other people's heads like some other members on the board.
  9. 24th January 2002, 00:14 #9
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    You have an attitude problem and act like you know everything. You are quick to condemn others for a variety of reasons. You make nicknames for people with no evidence, as if you have some supreme knowledge of my drink of choice.
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  10. 24th January 2002, 02:49 #10
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    Oh wonderful... the another thread devoted to CheGuevara vs. everyone else. Seeing how many idiotic names you can think up to call people are ya? Seems to me that your the one with the superiority complex man.
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    Quote: from CheGuevara on 12:39 am on Jan. 24, 2002
    It's a sad day when the owner of the a Che Guevara message board is defending champagne revolutionaries.
    Comrade CheG, i thnk amlte is just keeping the peace, but i agree with you, i reckon 1/3 of people on this forum are champagne revolutionaries, then next 1/3 just here to learn stuff but take capitalisms shit, and the next 1/3 are trying to change this fucking world

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    Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 6:39 pm on Jan. 24, 2002
    i reckon 1/3 of people on this forum are champagne revolutionaries
    How odd, Kamo. You've definitely been here longer than I have, and as I have not seen a single post where someone discussed champagne I can only assume that the "champagne revolutionaries" wrote about their drinking habits before I showed up. Perhaps you could give me a link to one of these posts where expensive wine was discussed.
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    Welcome 9mm Rebel, in answer to your question:will there ever be a revolution in U$A?

    Well if you knew the answer to that you would be a very clever person. (and probably put in a mental hospital and told you were crazy)
    In my humble opinion-yes but in a very long time. At the moment U$A is more likely to become a fascist nation (in some peoples opinion it already is). I believe it would take one hell of a upset for U$A to become communist and the rest of the world would have to become communist first.

    Comrade you have great fighting spirit but the U$A will never be defeated by the sword. It would be easier and better to defeat the capitalism system in the U$ by non violent means and I believe that if it ever will happen it will happen without a gunshot fired.
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    what is a champagne socialist?
    Does he want to nationalise the wine industry.
    will that ferment the revolution?
    bubble up contempt for the capitalist class,
    Maybe she is nt such a bad person when she is sober
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  15. 24th January 2002, 22:25 #15
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    A champagne revolutionary is one who sits on the fat ass and does fuck all except babble on about "the revolution"

    sometimes the passion is there, but no will power

    WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING! GET OFF YOUR FAT ASS AND UR COMFORTABLE LIVING, AND SHIFT

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    Have you any way of knowing what these people DO? you make this claims that they are lazy, that they are 'champagne revolutionaries', without even knowing anything about the way they live their lives.
    You set up your pompous little organisation, and put stickers up, and have the audacity to come here and accuse people of sickening laziness, and have the audacity to hurl meaningless insults?
    Where exactly are you coming from?
    both you and CheG are stuck up fools, who can only see as far as their own efforts.

    Fighting for the revolution is A WAY OF LIFE. It is in how you treat people, it is in how you think, it is in how you conduct your dealings with others. You hotheads run around shouting and screaming, putting up posters and stickers. Yet you achieve nothing. We bide our time, and we influence the world and the people we come in contact with, we spend our days arguing ourselves hoarse with others, informing the ignorant, helping people dammit, and it WEARS TO THE BONE.
    and then we goddam come on here expecting some respite from the daily attacks and spurious nonsense, and yet what do we find? fools from amidst the ranks of people who claim with us solidarity, ACTUALLY DECLAIMING US!!

    you oafs. When the fight for the revolution comes, the actual fight, then we will be there at your sides manning the barricades in defence of the socialist dream. We will gladly give up our lives when the day comes, but for now, we are changing and adapting what is here, helping others see the light, so that when that final battle comes, we will have support, so that when that final battle comes, and we win our victories, there will actually be a society left to change, instead of what you would have. If you were to fight your way in after a massive campaign of sticker posting, HA!, then what we would see is a system dictated by you, with now thought spared for the freedom of the people.


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    I'd be glad to fight and die for just about any just cause but I don't feel that the time is right in U$A for a revolution. And even as Che stated even if the conditions are not right for revolution we can make them I don't think that's possible in U$A. Not with this overwhelmingly mindless propadigation and nationalism. I feel that like the Russian Revolution we must wait for the time to strike out and if we fail a first time then we simply try again. But I can assure you that unless we recieve assistance from an outside nation(s) the conditions for an internal revolution in U$A will not occur for a very long time likewise will the actual revolution itself occur.

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    If you actually do the things you seem to indicate you do in your most recent post CommieBastard, I don't see why you would think you in particular are being criticized. What we do criticize is the type of hippie-commune lifestyle certain members here seem to have, drinking beer, smoking pot, and incessantly fooling around. No doubt certain members who participate in this lifestyle are oppressed by the system as they have detailed here and are probably genuinely concerned about the concerns of the people; and if this is indeed the case, we encourage them to work more towards destroying capitalism.
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    CheG what the hell have you got agaisnt Hippies? The hippe movement is purely an anti warand evry1 love 1 another style. I am a hippie/Socialist and just so you Know champagne is gross. You are so bloody opinianated! Just cool it and here what other people think and stop being so god damn childish!
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    well, maybe that was a bit more directed at kamo who blamed me for being a champagne revolutionary in an icq msg...
    and wtf is wrong with getting drunk and stoned? we all have to kick off our shoes sometime, it is unhealthy not to, and an unhealthy revolutionary is a useless revolutionary.
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