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hey,
are there any of you that are stalinists or other assorted things like that ?
No. Are you?
(There are a couple, as long as they are educated and pleasant, they can be withstood)
I'm not, but I am viewed as just as authoritarian if not more so then RAF or Chairman Mao by most people, and they are Stalinists. I'm just a Leninist Bolshevik.
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
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hey,
i sure am not although i dont really like stalinists , what does a stalinist follow about stalins regime?
Stalinists.
Stalinists (on Che-Lives atleast) are generally 10-15 year old kids that have a fancy idolization of Stalin. They tend to disregard and make excuses of Stalin's horrific actions. They consider Stalin, Lenin's rightful heir. They consider Stalin a Marxist (). They worship him as a skinhead today would worship Hitler. They feel that Stalin has done almost no wrongdoing, and praise all of his actions. They tend to forget that things Stalin did would not resemble Lenin's actions, and were not Marxist. Stalin assasinated Lenin's rightful heir, Trotsky.
I can not speak that every Stalinist is like this. However 95% of the Stalinists on Che-Lives are misguided, uneducated, ignorant young teens. Who instead of idolizing someone such as Britney Spears, or Pokemon; they idolize a mass murdering, contradicting authoritarian.
Good to see that you are not one.
As for the Stalinists on this board who do not follow under this stereotype, you know who you are.
hey,
how the hell could anyone ever even consider following stalin...thanx man; i didnt know what someone could follow in the guy and up until now i doidnt know stalin killed trotsky : BASTARD !! :angry:
Sorry, my mistake. I did not produce my words correctly. Stalin had Trotsky assasinated. Anyhow...
For a first hand experience on mis-guided teens that follow Stalin as their hero/idol, take a look around here. Run by exiled Che-Lives 14 year old whiners, ernesto-guevara.com is your leading misguided Stalinist webpage of which hosts nothing but articles stolen from the web, with no actual intelligence flowing.
Communist comrade
I think you're a Stalinist.
Some of these guys tend to flock to http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/.
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Stalinist is another word for fascist.
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FUCK NO
There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
You should visit www.ernesto-guevara.com to have a better idea of who Trotsky and Stalin were. Stalin did not have Trotsky killed but the CPSU chose to expel him from the party.
The majority of the people on this site are teenagers, so it is not surprising that the Marxist-Leninists here reflect the age spectrum on the forum as a whole. Thus a sizeable number are 14-18, although there have been a members of many different ages.
'Stalinists' do not worship Stalin, they recognise him as who he is in history and what ideas he contributed to the communist movement. People become Marxists because they analyse history and societies scientifically. From doing so one can also see that in the west a lot of untruths are told about socialism around the world, Stalin as a mass-murderer being an example of that.
Formerly known as Chairman Mao
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Please don't lower yourself to the point where you actually reject the cult of personality.
There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
Worship implies religious to me and a lot of people. There is a difference between praising someone and cult of personality. I believe that people praise Stalin but I would not use the term worship since he is viewed as a human being, not literally a god with powers that transcend heaven to earth.
A cult of personality is used too easily. For someone like Bush there is no cult of personality, for someone like Mussolini or Hitler there was a cult of personality. But cult of personality was part of fascist ideology. So yes, I do reject the existence of a cult of personality surrounding Stalin based on what I know of the Soviet Union. I think you are a Trotskyists so I think I am always at a very low point in your eyes.
Formerly known as Chairman Mao
Between the people and their enemies there can be nothing in common but the sword; we must govern by iron those who cannot be governed by justice
~Saint-Just
I condemn the dust of which I am made, this dust that speaks to you now. It can be persecuted, it can be brought to death. But I challenge the world to take from me that part of me which will live through the centuries and survive in the skies.
~Saint-Just
Hi CM it's me Cassius Clay.
Good to see your still sticking with this, I know it get's pretty boring.
Anyway I'm what you would call a 'Stalinist'. Oh yes and I'm 19 so that's the first point where you lot are wrong.
It's amazing that CM is accussed of 'lowering himself' when he rejects the cult of personality. If he had proceeded to praise Stalin to the hill you would all be going balistic pointing out that this is evidence of 'Stalinists' being a cult. Most 'Stalinists' regonise that Stalin made mistakes, and we criticise him for that. To do so would be wrong, but since Stalin admitted many of his mistakes we shouldn't feel any need to go into any great detail about it. In particular when we are forced to defend him against outright lies.
Stalin btw completly rejected any 'cult' around him and the image portrayed in the west that the USSR was a society where it was 'Stalin gave a order and so everyone carried it out' is so flawed that evidence for Santa is easier to find.
I belong to a party here in the UK which upholds Stalin, most members in my branch are well over 60 and have been involved in the labour movement for decades. The statement that 'Stalinist is another word for Fascist' would explain why tuesday week there is a talk being given on the rise of the BNP and how to fight it.
Someone up there complains about 'Stalinists' worshipping Stalin the same way skinheads worship Hitler. I'd like to know how many 'Stalinists' this person has met face to face and also why they are similar to skinheads. Also it's a great hyprocrisy to say all this and then write 'Lenin's rightful heir Trotsky'. Which schoolbook you get that out of? Anyway guess the CPSU didn't agree with you when they gave old Trot less than 6000 votes out of over 725,000.
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You know what I find funny:
Are statements like these. Were you alive when Stalin was in power? Were you in the Soviet Union back then? So how exactly can you say these things as if you 'watched' thse events carry out? Oh, but you read books/essays/reports/etc about Stalin that tell you these things. Well have you ever heard of propoganda? It's the same sort of thing. Stalin wanted to be remembered as a great man, thus creating propoganda knowing that people like you guys would one day become interested and believe all of that garbage. Propoganda doesn't only happen in the politically right-side American media. So saying that our information from the western society is flawed, cannot be said without bringing up the propoganda from the other side; Stalin's side.
Please spare me all of your Stalin didn't do this/that stories. They hold absolutely know merit, and to try and deny maybe a thousand deaths is one thing; however to try and deny millions upon millions of innocent deaths is absolutely insane.
I'm not talking about elections. I'm talking about who would have rightfully taken Lenin's place as an upstanding Marxist-Leninist. Not Stalin; Stalin followed his own guidelines, his own non-Marxist beliefs. Stalin did not participate in the revolution; and Stalin was blinded by the power.
Are you able to comprehend meaning? I never said Stalinists were similar to skinheads in the way you are thinking (ie. looks/actions).
Stalinists and skinheads both praise a very evil man and his doings.
They try and carry on his political party.
They think that the things he (Hitler/Stalin) had done were for the better of their/ones' country.
Most often younger 10-20 teenagers with nothing better to do then fabricate one man's life, while still praising him as if he is god.
Believe that as a society we need to carry on this man's legacy/political party.
And on and on.
So please don't ask as to how Stalinists can be compared to skinheads (or whatever word you want to give Nazi/Hitler idolizers), when the answer is very clear.
Enver Hoxha wrote:
What is the BNP? Perhaps British National Party? You are British if I remember correctly. So, your statement is sarcastic is it?
I don't deny there is an ideological difference between what is traditionally referred to as Fascism and the Stalinist brand of Fascism. My point, which, I think, should be accessible, is that Fascism is in essence Totalitarianism and Stalinism, too, is in essence Totalitarianism. Such idiocy is, of course, altogether a thing of the Right.
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<span style=\'color:red\'>"The hand-mill gives you society with the feudal lord; the steam-mill society with the industrial capitalist.”</span>-Karl Marx
MM, you aren't a Leninist no matter how may times you say that you are. To be a Leninist you have to actualy adhere to his ideology.
Enver Hoxha, what exactly was the point of this little undercover mission?
El Che, Stalinism isn't the same as fascism, you just use the word fascism to desribe anything 'bad.' Fascism isn't just totalitarianism, fascists belive that history is a constant struggle of between 'races' and that the 'superior race' should be allowed to come out on top. Stalin may not have been a nice person but to describe him as a fascist is inaccurate.
Stalin was not a fascist, he was an authortarian marxist.
Stalin did no invent his own political theory he followed Marx's and Lennin's writings.
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If Stalin is any kind of Marxist you can call me Susana.
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<span style=\'color:red\'>"The hand-mill gives you society with the feudal lord; the steam-mill society with the industrial capitalist.”</span>-Karl Marx
Fool. Why not post this on my board? Try to debate with us?
I treated you with kindness, opened my arms to your ilk, tolerated your dogmatist liberal pseudo-trotskyist bullshit, made your voice heard on my board. This is how I am repayed. I see how it is. Typical of your kind, ingrates and opportunists.
Great generalization and ad hominem . I guess Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Kim Jong Il, practically every communist movement that accomlishes something, are all "ignorant teenagers"?
I am ignorant? Would you like to debate the Lenin testament with me?
You are the typical liberal traitor. You believe the bourgeoisie over an ally. I would have no problem aligning myself with Trots and libs, but the problem is they make themselves our enemy, hence we have to destroy them.
Can you provide facts as to why Stalin was a "mass murderer"?
Hmm... you seem to ignore that Stalin was rightfully elected as sucessor to Lenin, and when we show you these facts, you simply say "oh but but...Trotsky was his sucessor". Who is the dictator now? Lenin alone should not make the decisions, but rather, an elected committee of the people should. Let's say Lenin was a Trotskyist (theoretically of course), ok, but Lenin was an honest man of the peoples who would've simply accepted the fact that most wanted Stalin over Trotsky.
Typical closed mindedness. Refusing to read both sides, only believing what you want to believe. Do you know how unMarxist the statement you wrote is?
Hi Susana. If you want go to my website and go under Marxism-Leninism and read Stalin's contributions to the ideology. Knowing how narrow-minded you are, you will not go and read anything. But still, I will try to have you atleast look at both views, rather than go in with an extremely closed mind and just call Stalin a "Fascist" (yeah, he was a real fascist, although he led the red army to victory against nazi Germany).
I am a little ticked off at this moment so excuse me if I sound angry.
I ask all anti-Stalin folks to go to my board and debate their views with us. But no. You won't. Why? Because we will put up a fairly good debate and you will come back here crying about it. Fact is, we will never please you because you live in a world of idealism and Americanization.
