My conversation with a true dipshit

[DarkAngel]

This is conversation between 2 friends: (noteerson is a made up aim, I had to change the real one, for fear of harassment)

Person2807: who cares
Person2807: its stupid
X5Angel459: I am still above average :-)
X5Angel459: 115 is above, 105-114 is average and below 100 is below average.
X5Angel459: When u unscrabled the word, what did u get?
X5Angel459: ANLDEGN
X5Angel459: I got country: England
Person2807: i dont really like believe in iq tests
Person2807: to me its just a way to make people believe that their stupid or smart
Person2807: one answer to you might be completly different to me
Person2807: there are no right answers
X5Angel459: It measures ur ability to process and multiy task. I believe in it because it it basically shows how fast u process information
X5Angel459: And there are right answeres
Person2807: well to me i think its a waste of time becuase everyone is different
Person2807: everyone sees things differently
X5Angel459: I see your point. But for me I only think that way when your taking a personality test or whatever. But not when u take a right or wrong test
Person2807: but its not neccesarily a right or wrong test
Person2807: its a test that measures how you think
X5Angel459: yes, how u process information.
Person2807: and then besed on how you think they slap a number on you
Person2807: like in those questions were there were blanks at the end
Person2807: and the patttern questions
X5Angel459: Even the most ___________ rose has thorns.
X5Angel459: weathered
Person2807: yea you might say it is weathured and thats what i put down to
X5Angel459: because the thorns are connected to the stem, they are part of the
Person2807: but everyone has different theories
Person2807: see you think scietificly
Person2807: i donht
Person2807: i believe that in life there are no right are wrong anwers just
Person2807: theres just questions
X5Angel459: yeah, but IQ test is right or wrong. The shapes had patterns which u were suppose to figure out. Each one was incomplete and u had to figure out what was the next one based on the info given
X5Angel459: I don't think you can say I think scientifically because I do have an open mind, and I do think outside the box. But for me I can think both ways
Person2807: yea but many people think differently
X5Angel459: Yeah. But are you going to use that as an exuse for failing lets say a math test (hypothetically)
Person2807: nope
Person2807: but thats why im so bad in math
Person2807: to tell you the truth
X5Angel459: there are opinionated answers and there are fact answers
Person2807: who makes it a fact
X5Angel459: Science.
Person2807: what makes it a fact
Person2807: yea science is just a theorie
X5Angel459: Fact is a theorie which can be proven over and over again with the same outcome
Person2807: we have no clue if its right or wrong
X5Angel459: In most cases we do
Person2807: no we dont
Person2807: who is it to say if its right or wrong
X5Angel459: Example: Pizza Tastes good (opinion), this slice of pizza contains tomotoes, cheese, and flower (fact)
X5Angel459: because it can be proven
X5Angel459: u see my point?
Person2807: ok but were did the word tamato came from
X5Angel459: From seeds
Person2807: who came up with it
X5Angel459: I get that, we don't know that. But we can come up with facts from what we know
Person2807: but when it comes down to it
Person2807: what do we really know
X5Angel459: ....that, that slice of pizza contains cheese, tomotoes, and flour
Person2807: yea
Person2807: it does
X5Angel459: exactly its fact
Person2807: but how do we know that tomatoe is really a tomatoe
Person2807: who mad eit like that
X5Angel459: We can test it, and look at its gene sequence
Person2807: who came up with the word tomatoe
X5Angel459: the creators of the english launguage
X5Angel459: the greeks
Person2807: exactly and what makes their judgment so much better than ours
Person2807: what if i called the tamatoe a red ball
X5Angel459: No one said it was. They just happen to be born before us, and they happen to be creators of civilized civilazations
X5Angel459: go ahead, but it still has the same gene sequence
X5Angel459: whatever u call it.
X5Angel459: brb
Person2807: yea but how do we know technology is reall
Person2807: how do you test something like technology
Person2807: why is it called that
Person2807: how do we know that this planet is really called the earth
X5Angel459: I'm back.
X5Angel459: Its not, we just call it that to make things simple
X5Angel459: *simpler
Person2807: ok but that makes it simple for some people
Person2807: but not all
X5Angel459: what would we call earth if it wasnt earth?
Person2807: because in my mind their are no facts just theories
Person2807: but if i wanted to i can call it something else
Person2807: make up my own theorie
X5Angel459: noone is stopping u
X5Angel459: but a name isnt a theorie
Person2807: the iq test is stopping me
X5Angel459: what>
X5Angel459: ?
Person2807: a nmae is a theory because we dont actually know if its correct
X5Angel459: You are making no sense right now.
Person2807: how do you know this planet is actually called earth
X5Angel459: We don't. But since Americas speak english we call it Earth when we refrence it. Go to another country and it will be different but it will still be what we know it as earth
Person2807: excatly we dont
Person2807: so its just an assumption
X5Angel459: Don't what?
Person2807: we dont actually no that this planet is earth
Person2807: we assumed it
Person2807: we made it up
Person2807: which makes it a theory
Person2807: we made everything up
Person2807: which makes everything an assumption
X5Angel459: a name is a word or words by which an entity is designated and distinguished from others. Thats how we distinguish earth from other planets
Person2807: yea but a human made it up
Person2807: so how do we know that that human was corrrect
X5Angel459: correct about what?
Person2807: anything
X5Angel459: names are just created so we can know what the other person is taking about.
Person2807: ok but if i want to call a tamatoe a red ball thats how i see it
X5Angel459: It has absolutly nothing to do with theory or fact
X5Angel459: go ahead
Person2807: like twins can have the exact samje genes and the exact same look
Person2807: but are they the same people
X5Angel459: No two people have the exact same genes
X5Angel459: it impossible
Person2807: exactly so how do we know one big red ball is the same as the next
X5Angel459: because tomotoes hav gene sequences that show their tomotoes, like humans, but they still have their own distinguishing traits
X5Angel459: like twins
Person2807: exactly but how
Person2807: we dont know
Person2807: why are they like that
X5Angel459: because we evolved from a single cell oragnism.
X5Angel459: me u redball
X5Angel459: and I know this because of evidence found my scientists
Person2807: yea but we cant prove that cause we werent here
X5Angel459: yes we can.
X5Angel459: carbon dating. evidence in rocks, u name it
Person2807: but how do we know that that evidence is true or real
Person2807: we dont we werent hear
X5Angel459: because it can be proven over and over again
Person2807: no it cant it can be assumed
Person2807: thats what everything is a logical assumption
X5Angel459: Carbon dating is fact because it has been tested over and over with the same results
X5Angel459: a logical assumption is a hypothesis.
X5Angel459: but thats diffrent from fact
Person2807: how does testing prove something
Person2807: how do we know our testing is reall
Person2807: or true
Person2807: how can we test testing
X5Angel459: because it measures brain activity
X5Angel459: because u can hook a machine up to the brain that shows brain activity
Person2807: supposidly
X5Angel459: omg
Person2807: but how do we know that
X5Angel459: Because it can be proven for the 10th millionth time
Person2807: but how can it be proven if we werent hear and how are our tests correst
Person2807: how do we know that our tests are correct
Person2807: who says that their correct
Person2807: how do they know
X5Angel459: If u stop trying for a minute I'll respond
X5Angel459: Tests are proven correct because they ask basic questions which are fact. Facts can be provem over and over with the same outcome. Carbon dating measures the carbon, and half lives which tell us how old something is
Person2807: so what if something has the same outcome
Person2807: thats doesnt mean its true
X5Angel459: its fact
X5Angel459: yes it does
Person2807: its a fact to you
Person2807: but not to me
X5Angel459: and the rest of the world
X5Angel459: because it only has that outcome
Person2807: no everything has different outcomes
Person2807: everything
X5Angel459: those are called theorys
Person2807: exactly
Person2807: well eliza remeber when cannavale
X5Angel459: but not all things are theorys
Person2807: was telling us about science and the bible
X5Angel459: yeah, ur point
Person2807: many people think that god put us hear
Person2807: and many people think that we evolved from monkeys
X5Angel459: yeah but science disproved religon
Person2807: no it doesnt
Person2807: everyone has a different explaination for everything
X5Angel459: People believe what they wants, but fact shows we evolved from a single cell organism
X5Angel459: *want
X5Angel459: Religion believes god came down with his *****es and hoes and knocked up marie and boom made life
X5Angel459: well one religion anyway
Person2807: what the hell are you talking about and who the hell are marie and boom
X5Angel459: boom is a sound, and marie is virgin marie
Person2807: lol
Person2807: ohh
Person2807: well all im trying to say is that everyone has a diiferent explanation for everything and everyone has different beliefs
Person2807: and a fact to you may be a false statement to someone else
X5Angel459: yeah, but not when it comes to fact
X5Angel459: in fact there is one asnwer
X5Angel459: *answer
Person2807: not all the time
X5Angel459: like when

X5Angel459: ?
X5Angel459: u said not all the time? so give me an example
Person2807: because if everyone thinks differently and sees things differently than there are no answers because everyones answer is going to be different
Person2807: like to some people god is a fact
X5Angel459: Yes in opinions. But not fct
Person2807: and to otheres science is a fact
X5Angel459: god is not a fact. God is a theory because his existence cannot be proven
Person2807: and so is science
X5Angel459: even religiouse people know that
X5Angel459: science is fact, because it can be proven, religion cant
Person2807: not all science can be proven
Person2807: like science cant answer why this planet is here is the first place
X5Angel459: yes it can
X5Angel459: the big bang
X5Angel459: shut u[
X5Angel459: up
Person2807: thats a theory in science
X5Angel459: Yes it is. But its the leading theory with the most evidence behind it
Person2807: but scientists still dont say its a fact
X5Angel459: I know
Person2807: theres a lot of eveidence for a lot of things in the world
X5Angel459: ur point being....
X5Angel459: ?
Person2807: but that doesnt makeit fact
Person2807: because sometimes people are wrong
X5Angel459: I agree.but there are facts in this world
Person2807: yes i know like basic facts and things like that but when you think about it there are mostly oppinions
X5Angel459: no
X5Angel459: because they can be proven
Person2807: this whole conversation is an oppinion
X5Angel459: how
Person2807: because im trying to say the way i think
X5Angel459: yes
Person2807: and you think differently than me
X5Angel459: and I am defending facts
X5Angel459: What makes a fact basic?
Person2807: you tell me
X5Angel459: becuase u said '''yes i know like basic facts and things like that but when you think about it there are mostly oppinions''
Person2807: yea in my mind
Person2807: im expressing my oppinion and thats a fact
X5Angel459: What'd u mean? what are basic facts in ur mind
X5Angel459: (opinion is spelled with one p)
Person2807: i dont care
X5Angel459: just sayin for future refrence
Person2807: in my mind basic facts are things like in this conversation you have your oppinion and i have mine
Person2807: thats a fact
Person2807: and i get what your saying but i dont believe it
Person2807: and i never will
X5Angel459: what? in my mind basic facts are things like in this conversation you have your oppinion and i have mine
X5Angel459: huh?
Person2807: thats just the way i think thats all im trying to say
X5Angel459: I get that, but whatd u mean
Person2807: yea like you believe in science and i dont
Person2807: you said that an that makes it a fact
Person2807: thats you said it
X5Angel459: I believe in science (most of it) because its fact.
Person2807: to you
X5Angel459: Not to me.
Person2807: but i dont believe in much of sience and i dont see it like that
X5Angel459: Ok so if you dont believe in science why do u take medicine
Person2807: because my mom makes me
Person2807: and i dont want to hurt her
X5Angel459: not ur liver medicine
Person2807: but i could give a rats ass about the fuckin medicine
X5Angel459: I mean motrin and tylenol
X5Angel459: u take it on free will
X5Angel459: i've seen u
Person2807: because it makes me feel better
Person2807: but it also has side effects
Person2807: and to some people they dont think it makes them feel better
X5Angel459: EXACTLY it makes us feel better. Thats science
Person2807: no its not
X5Angel459: u
Person2807: its how i feel
X5Angel459: medicine is science
Person2807: soem poeople like yourself dont believe in it
Person2807: and i do believe in some science
Person2807: but some of it doesnt make sense to me
X5Angel459: and u have a a cramps or whatever and science has found out what causes it in MOST cases, so it developed medicine,
X5Angel459: I don't take medicine not cuz I don't believe in it, but because I prefer to keep chemicals out ofmy body
Person2807: and i dont
X5Angel459: so why do u take it
Person2807: because i prefert to have chemicals in my body
X5Angel459: because they make u feel better like u said
X5Angel459: thats proving science works in most cases
Person2807: not to me in this case it does and i do believe in some or science but not all of it
X5Angel459: Because its fact. Cramps are caused by whatever scientist think it is, so they developed something to take care of cramps from that cause.
X5Angel459: u see
Person2807: yea in some cases like this one
X5Angel459: exactly. Its fact
Person2807: but i still believe that most of science is just a theory
X5Angel459: Like what?
Person2807: thats how i think
X5Angel459: whats theory>/
X5Angel459: ?
Person2807: so stop trying to pressure me into how you think
X5Angel459: I am not. I am just wondering what u think is theory
Person2807: yea so you can try and prove me wrong
Person2807: to persuade me to think like you
Person2807: but im not you im me
X5Angel459: isnt that what u were trying to do? with the names and the redball
Person2807: and everyone thinks different and has their own oppinions
Person2807: no i wasnt
Person2807: i was trying to explain myself
Person2807: so you would understand me
Person2807: understand not agree
X5Angel459: ''ok but that makes it simple for some people'' u asked so why cant I? Without being accused of making u think like myself
X5Angel459: Its hard having a mature converstion with you sometimes because you take it to seriously. its just a stupid argument.
Person2807: me i dont care
X5Angel459: no one is pressuring u.
X5Angel459: so why were u accusing u me of pressuring y
X5Angel459: u
Person2807: cause you were trying to prove me wrong
Person2807: and i dont care anymore
Person2807: this is stupid
X5Angel459: Yes. Thats the whole point of an argument
X5Angel459: so were u
Person2807: i understand how you think and i respect it
Person2807: unfortuantly i dont agree with it but that ok
Person2807: everyone is different
Person2807: i could care less that you dont understand me most people dont anyway
X5Angel459: My point was that everyone is different with different *opinions but some things are *facts.........


*person is a friend of mine, who I changed the AIM name of. x5angel459 is my username, my friend was using it.

[DarkAngel]

The whole argument started over IQ scores.

[Individual]

Wait.

I was supposed to read all of that?

Hang on, I'll print it up so I can read it on my drive to Antarctica!

[DarkAngel]

lol. Its not that long....

[Xvall]

I don't believe in IQ tests either, personally. But that's just me.

[Hate Is Art]

i got about 1/100 of the way down and realised i am reading a chat log on *drumroll* IQ SCORES! I'm to plan the revolution, you can ***** about the non-believers all you want without me.

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by Digital Nirvana@Mar 21 2004, 07:38 PM
i got about 1/100 of the way down and realised i am reading a chat log on *drumroll* IQ SCORES! I'm to plan the revolution, you can ***** about the non-believers all you want without me.

plan the revolution? details........

Yea i don't really believe in IQ scores either. There are like 9 different forms of intelligence.

[Rastafari]

IQ tests are still built to disadvantage certain groups of people.

[EneME]

IQ tests test how well you can take ...*drumroll*..IQ tests...not how smart you are necessarily...there are many other forms of intelligence b/c ppl process information differently, but ur friend isn't one of these....she's kinda special lol
btw it is long cuz it took me about 15 minutes to get halfway through it....but i got the gist

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by EneME@Mar 22 2004, 02:23 AM
IQ tests test how well you can take ...*drumroll*..IQ tests...not how smart you are necessarily...there are many other forms of intelligence b/c ppl process information differently, but ur friend isn't one of these....she's kinda special lol
btw it is long cuz it took me about 15 minutes to get halfway through it....but i got the gist

see my point

[cubist]

iq my score ranges between 116 and 142 from various ones so i don't care,

[CorporationsRule]

DarkAngel,

Your friend handed you your ass in that conversation.

Read it carefully. Learn from him.

Be the ball.

Love,

CopulationDroolz

[insurgency03]

Iq tests are useful in some cases, but its not fair 2 do them on kids it either makes them arrogent or it makes them feel like crap

[CorporationsRule]

I changed my mind. You're both saying very little.

[CommoditiesAretheOpiumofPeople]

The queue in the vegetarian thread was too long, but yeah DarkAngel I'm a vegetarian too. But anyway's science is just interpretation of the stimuli around us, maybe our entire theories of science are flawed, and maybe that's why there's so much we don't know, like about God and shit (I'm atheist). Everything's connected at the base, even our science is based on the assumption that we're atoms made from particles made from quarks, so everything's the same and nothing's the same. the only divisions there are are the ones we interpret, but in reality, this keyboard I'm typing on is based on the same principle as a human being. There is no right or wrong anywhere, just broaden your mind as much as possible within the parameters that society accepts as truth.

[Raisa]

So with this post what were you trying to tell me ? That you are smarter then this person and they must be insecure about their IQ because their not cool with IQ tests?

Smart people dont have to show it by looking down on others.

[Raisa]

By the way,
It is counter-revolutionary to look down on people cause they are not as smart as you, if you really want to change the world.
Everyone is smart, and we dont need a test to show that, we need a world where it matters.
Alot of the places the worlds working masses are confined to in life are places where their intelligence doesnt matter, and is secondary to compliance and survival.

I am not down with this kind of elitism being in the Science and Environment forum. We are better then that.

[trex]

Allright, that had to be one of the longest chats I've ever seen. I didn't know who was who half of the time. No offense to either of you.

Allright, IQ is a way of measuring your math and ENglish skills, not how smart you are in every other way, shape, or form. There might as well also be a street quotient test (Devon is pimpin' on 25 'n J...), a history quotient test (The dictator of Iraq has two apples, and the minister of Kuwait has 3. How many will Kuwait have after Iraq invades them?), a current events quotient test (George Bush read 'the little goat' for 7 minutes after he was informed planes hit the WTC, and nobody's going to let anyone forget this anytime soon. Why?), anything.

[Wurkwurk]

Lol!

That was an interesting conversation, say the least.

Fact is fact, not to some, but to all. I'm surprised (s)he didn't get that.