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    Default Industrial Workers and Crafts

    There is a great deal of problems and expense in organizing the unorganized that is why it is often avoided, where often those are not the only reasons where often the unskilled are replaced and the skilled are tormented and troubled.

    Today all too many US workers have been industrialized just as America has become often industrialized and whole industries were shipped overseas while the Captains of Industry and Labor bosses harp on about what are merely figments of their imagination.

    I 63 live in Pa. have a house smart money says most are smart Alecs and don't know what to do with it.

    Your mission if you decide to accept it is to prove me wrong not beat me in the head with your idiotic rhetoric.


    • As always, should you or any of your I.M. Force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. This tape/disc will self-destruct in five/ten seconds. Good luck.

      Question: Working on the Chain gang, woo ah, if you have 5 sledge hammers 2.5, 3.0, 3.5,5, and 8lbs, in that the 2.5 is lightest to use and 8lb lbs the heaviest, one gets you out of prison faster and one slower, one hurts more and one hurt less.

      So why and how is the job to be done as the boss will never tell you what is expected of you?

      I hear somethin' sayin'
      That's the sound of the men working on the chain ga-a-ang
      That's the sound of the men working on the chain gang
      All day long they're singin'
      (Hooh aah) (hooh aah)
      (Hooh aah) (hooh aah)
      That's the sound of the men working on the chain ga-a-ang
      That's the sound of the men working on the chain gang
      All day long they work so hard
      Till the sun is goin' down
      Working on the highways and byways
      And wearing, wearing a frown
      You hear them moanin' their lives away
      Then you hear somebody sa-ay
      That's the sound of the men working on the chain ga-a-ang
      That's the sound of the men working on the chain gang
      Can't ya hear them singin'
      Mm, I'm goin' home one of these days
      I'm goin' home see my woman
      Whom I love so dear
      But…
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    Iím not sure I understand the challenge here.

    Do you mind explaining the question or your point again?
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    "Do I mind?" Yes. Since it was phrased in an open ended phrasing thank you for asking but no thanks:

    As you posed a vague seemingly baseless esoteric exoteric question (the form of which was even more so rudely obtuse, as my question was clearly stated).

    But I will try to be helpful there are several typos in the text I wrote (as I often make typos) the question is "who what where, how, why, when")
    towards which end may I ask if you are "industrial" and for which I perpetually add typos "until death do I part".
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    Are you asking what our individual jobs or job history is?

    Iím probably older than most. Iíve never worked in manufacturing, if thatís what youíre asking, but most of that was moved inland or largely automated when it couldnít move (like jobs at the docs).

    Iíve worked union jobs in hospitality and in the school system. Iíve also worked a lot of non-union jobs like delis and liquor stores in my early 20s. Iíve had delivery and temp jobs and worked in a warehouse sized tech support center.

    Both my parents worked union jobs and people in my family worked as longshoremen, nurses and, unfortunately, as cops.

    Workplaces all have different challenges and as an activist I have supported union hospitality, transportation and waste disposal, but I have also worked on campaigns with nonunionized fast food workers.

    As far as I can see, no workers are on a strong offensive today, so itís hard all around. But I look at fellow workers as part of a connected class. So if there was a breakthrough for low wage or unorganized workers, it would probably enourage more industrial workers or visa versa. Back before industrial unions, industrial factory workers were thought of as the replaceable and unorganizable group. New tactics and strategies developed and changed that - the same thing would probably have to happen today for things to turn around.

    Iím still not sure if this is what youíre asking, but i took a shot. I was not trying to be disrespectful in asking for clarification.
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    "Question: Working on the Chain gang, woo ah, if you have 5 sledge hammers 2.5, 3.0, 3.5,5, and 8lbs, in that the 2.5 is lightest to use and 8lb lbs the heaviest, one gets you out of prison faster and one slower, one hurts more and one hurt less."


    Sorry. Too bad the service industry sucks as the word is derived from slavery so one can suppose you have no feelings towards sledgehammers industry and crafts so it is easy to conclude you have no idea about it as you have not affinity for what it is, no disrespect is sense just the threats of the trades the ignorant lack skill in and have no idea how to pick, pick up or hold the tools.


    POETRY NOT PROSE cruz no questions no trouble no lies no parking tickets no books where love begins with a sledge hammer.
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    AZ, stop with your dada-type, surrealist posts and either participate coherently, or don't.

    Warning issued.
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    AZ, stop with your dada-type, surrealist posts and either participate coherently, or don't.

    Warning issued.

    Thank you Chaihatsu, cleaning up the muck one at a time!

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    AZ, stop with your dada-type, surrealist posts and either participate coherently, or don't.

    Warning issued.

    Thank you Chaihatsu, cleaning up the muck one at a time!
    A rising of the masses requires no justification. [...] The masses followed our banner and our insurrection was victorious. And now we are told, "renounce you victory, make concessions, compromise". Compromise? To whom, I ask. Here no compromise is possible. To those who have left and to those who tell us to compromise we must say, "You are miserable bankrupts! Your role is played out! GO back to where you ought to go; in the dustbin of history!" -Leon Trotsky

    "Let me say, at the risk of seeming ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love" -Ernesto "Che" Guevara
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    Thank you Chaihatsu, cleaning up the muck one at a time!

    Your thanks would be more meaningful to me, TT, if you also got the spelling of my username right.


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    So you to direct people how to speak and write when you are incapable of doing so without your insulting remarks as apparently you would like people to make clear public reports to the police agents in your group? Metaphorically you make yourself you exist to be pissed on. Thanks my post initiated this and if you wish to act like the fascists you should put a clear target on your chest.
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    So you to direct people how to speak and write when you are incapable of doing so without your insulting remarks as apparently you would like people to make clear public reports to the police agents in your group? Metaphorically you make yourself you exist to be pissed on. Thanks my post initiated this and if you wish to act like the fascists you should put a clear target on your chest.

    AZ, I'm not telling you *what* to speak or write -- I don't mean to be insulting to you, I'm just saying that there *are* 'boundaries' in the sense that you should be intelligible to others and maybe you could even converse on the topic of the thread. Also this is a board for revolutionary political thought and issues, so please take that into consideration as well.
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    AZ, I'm not telling you *what* to speak or write *** I'm just saying that there *are* 'boundaries'"
    Sorry very much the same thing sort of intelligence based double talk where your left is not my left so you are delusional try "Language Truth and Logic " as perhaps the stale looney pacifist MI6 agent of Sir Alfred Jules Ayers might straighten you out as you and Chump share your dishonesty as:

    For as a principled person I am not required in any interrogation to make what I say clear to anyone pass out the cyanide capsules people like you make double talking sociopathic torturers and interrogation police agents.

    By the way Dada was closer to Lenin than you are as you can't even realize your insulting mannerisms insults and poor thinking:

    You remind me of the joke once stated to me that Trotskyism fails because three Trotskyites join together they then are required split into two factions as they can figure out how to treat the odd man out.

    Yes, Boundaries you say E=MC2 I say. Which silly faction do you belong to so one can pretend they agree with you sure you tell people what to say though perhaps not per se.
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    Sorry very much the same thing sort of intelligence based double talk where your left is not my left so you are delusional try "Language Truth and Logic " as perhaps the stale looney pacifist MI6 agent of Sir Alfred Jules Ayers might straighten you out as you and Chump share your dishonesty as:

    For as a principled person I am not required in any interrogation to make what I say clear to anyone pass out the cyanide capsules people like you make double talking sociopathic torturers and interrogation police agents.

    By the way Dada was closer to Lenin than you are as you can't even realize your insulting mannerisms insults and poor thinking:

    You remind me of the joke once stated to me that Trotskyism fails because three Trotskyites join together they then are required split into two factions as they can figure out how to treat the odd man out.

    Yes, Boundaries you say E=MC2 I say. Which silly faction do you belong to so one can pretend they agree with you sure you tell people what to say though perhaps not per se.

    It's not double-talk -- I'm saying that you have free will over what you decide to say on this forum, but there *are* 'parameters' as you can see from the FAQ:

    https://www.revleft.space/vb/faq.php?faq=general
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    Ckaihatsu, can you quote the part that you feel Andrew_Zito is violating or close to violating?

    ETA: Not saying it doesn't exist btw I just didn't see it in a quick scan of the rules.
    "I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
    Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
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    Ckaihatsu, can you quote the part that you feel Andrew_Zito is violating or close to violating?

    ETA: Not saying it doesn't exist btw I just didn't see it in a quick scan of the rules.

    It's not in the FAQ, BIXX -- it's more of a functional *inappropriateness* on AZ's part -- see post #6.
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    Love your pushy bull headed ABSURDIST nonsense "see post #6" as you ramble on in the most vague terms, and in what we think is our business that seems all the worst in you. Congrats you make friends well in what one imagines is a jungle you feel at home too bad everyone else does not have to be there with you.
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    It's not in the FAQ, BIXX -- it's more of a functional *inappropriateness* on AZ's part -- see post #6.


    PS Hmm it seems the extreme Left and the extreme right have under military control seized common initiatives and as such as opportunists jockey for a position by which they can opportunistically benefit (as when the CDI and PCI attempted to establish a working relationship that the extreme right, left, P2 and CIA opposed.

    The main spokespersons for this site forums stated:

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    Whereas in those statements I find matters most strange since as my language by nature is obfuscated by varied poetic and prosaic means that is often well seasoned and designed though not perfect. None the less.

    So often those concepts on a day to day basis are violated and threatened where by those in question here, regardless of their emotions, intents, partiality, rhetoric and polemics appears as the Neo-fascists and ultra-left did by stating:

    "AZ, stop with your dada-type, surrealist posts and either participate coherently, or don't. Warning issued."

    Where most likely if I was clear they would claim I am not, but if I were not they would reverse themselves and claim what I say is clearly said as conveniently they are opportunists at best>

    in that furthermore they attempt to bully others and dictate the manner of speech they act as "agents" though what sort of "Agents" it is unknown for today in this age of NSA word character image and concept analysis it seems that many calling themselves "Leftists" are their own worst enemies as they absurdly find to need to further qualify and quantify what is said as they arrogantly demand fo the simple reasoning they acquire power by doing so.

    So much for a WEB DOMAIN REGISTERED "IN the FREEDOM LOVING REVOLUTIONARY KINGDOM STATE OF DUBAI"?? HA HA.

    So if you are progressive left socialist anarchist Trotskyites Stalinist Maoist etc et al I suggest you never attempt to dictate the use of speech for you barely can direct your lives not to mention others as all too often you remind me of cops and thugs dumb dumber and stupid.

    Where I once faced WIKIPEDIA in their similar criticism only to find out they were thoroughly infiltrated by the FBI and CIA not to mention Betty Crocker and Mini Maus who wrote their unbiased articles in the interests of "National Security" using the Israeli techniques of disruption.
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    Ckaihatsu, you can't infract or warn someone for doing something that's not against the rules.
    "I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
    Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
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    Both of you should stop with the cheap melodrama -- I'm simply saying that posts should be *relevant* to the topic and/or existing discussion, if any, and that you should realize you're implicitly using other people's time. This place isn't an art canvas, so saying that you should stick to revolutionary-political matters here, in an understandable format, isn't demanding too much.
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    I almost can forgive your three errors regarding revolution, art and melodrama:

    As often 1. "revolution is an art" as it is often always distinguished and unique in a distinguished character as those who and fight it
    2. however convoluted and abstract that art is in your dogmatic attempts to nail it in a coffin there is no such as abstract.
    3. In your attacks of melodrama you wrongfully confine the working class into that same coffin as you require them to seek permission of some authority for what often as revolutionary in character refuse to be so confined,
    4. When to confine such words and art is to pronounce them stale stodgy and dead much like biblical fundamentalists who understand not true meaning of the words they speak in what exists as figurative and literal or objective and symbolic language determined by
    the brush strokes just as shameful you depict matters deceptively as the forked meanings you use.
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    I almost can forgive your three errors regarding revolution, art and melodrama:

    There's no 'error' -- you're not even trying to *refute* my characterization, you're just issuing a contrarian denial through calling my description an 'error'.



    As often 1. "revolution is an art" as it is often always distinguished and unique in a distinguished character as those who and fight it

    But you're not addressing 'revolution' at all -- not a single aspect of it.



    2. however convoluted and abstract that art is in your dogmatic attempts to nail it in a coffin there is no such as abstract.

    What 'art' are you referring to here? You're only using strawman tactics.



    3. In your attacks of melodrama you wrongfully confine the working class into that same coffin as you require them to seek permission of some authority for what often as revolutionary in character refuse to be so confined,

    This is not true at all -- you're making a specious claim. I'm *not against* the working class, nor am I some kind of threat to it.



    4. When to confine such words and art is to pronounce them stale stodgy and dead much like biblical fundamentalists who understand not true meaning of the words they speak in what exists as figurative and literal or objective and symbolic language determined by
    the brush strokes just as shameful you depict matters deceptively as the forked meanings you use.

    You're not even *addressing* my meanings, so I have no proof that you even know what you're flippantly being derogatory *about*. Stop with the arbitrary baseless claims and start addressing revolutionary political content -- this is your last warning.

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