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    Default Spartacus Ex Machina (reply to Bixx from a closed post)

    The lol guy said:


    > To get some on topic discussion back in here ...
    > I did read your thing, and I asked you to prove
    > your claims (which you made a lot of).


    So you want me to "prove" everything I said ?


    In a 12,000 word essay, I said a lot of things.


    So where should I start?


    I will start at the beginning. My essay claims that the 1917 revolution happened in 1917. If you don't believe that--check wikipedia.


    Do you have any _specific_ question ?


    Because I do not have time for #time_wasters--which you appear to be.


    I don't believe you actually read my essay. Based on what I have seen here--I doubt you have the attention span.


    But, hey, maybe I'm wrong? Maybe you are telling the truth?


    > I'm not so much interested in trying to prove
    > you wrong with that question but I am interested
    > in how you came to the conclusions you did, etc...


    Again, "the conclusions" ? _Which_ specific conclusions ? You need to explain this using words.


    If you lack the ability to put together an intelligent question--then all I can say is--it's a tough world.


    > but seeing as you acted defensively to any
    > interrogation of your stance, you're making
    > it difficult to have a conversation regarding
    > the topic at hand.


    I regret making life difficult for you. It breaks my heart to see you sad.


    Look--it is really simple: if you actually want an intelligent answer to a question--then meet me halfway--and put together an intelligent question that makes it clear that you actually read my essay. I think that is only reasonable.


    Let me know if you agree.


    -- Ben

    post script: One more quick point related to the friction on the previous thread: my recommendation is that people who post to this thread voluntarily restrict themselves to a single post per day. That may require some self-restraint, but I believe it will be worth it.
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    What is the point of this post? To claim that the 1917 Russian Revolution happened in 1917?

    I don't think that such an assertion really addresses anything anyone might have written to you.
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    > I don't think that such an assertion really addresses
    > anything anyone might have written to you

    No one on this thread or the previous thread wrote anything to me of any substance whatsoever. So there has been nothing to which I can reply.

    My original post was to notify readers of this lengthy essay, covering both theory and practice, for the 100th anniversary of the 1917 revolution.

    One hundred years after 1917: Spartacus Ex Machina
    https://warforquadranttwo.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/sex_machina.pdf

    (below are excerpts from the essay)

    In the middle of this century, a new kind of public and democratic information machine will emerge as an invincible weapon in the struggle of the proletariat to break free from the rule of capital and fulfill all the dreams of humankind.

    This machine will connect every part of the proletarian mind.This machine will allow the proletariat to make itself conscious, and create a world of peace, abundance,and genuine community for all.

    This is the last century in which humans will be constantly bombarded with information which is created by slaves, and which is aimed at exploiting them and controlling their minds. In its place will be free information.

    As this happens, then it must follow, as night the day, that the proletariat will make itself conscious, liquidate the rule of capital, and emerge from the darkness.

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    Default I will check back next weekend--in the meantime here are the contents

    Hi folks, I will check back next weekend to see if anyone has any thoughtful and considered questions.

    In the meantime, I have pasted (below) the contents page for "Spartacus Ex Machina": https://warforquadranttwo.files.word...ex_machina.pdf

    One hundred years after 1917:
    Spartacus Ex Machina


    In the middle of this century,
    a new kind of public and democratic
    information machine will emerge as
    an invincible weapon in the struggle
    of the proletariat to break free
    from the rule of capital and
    fulfill all the dreams of humankind.

    This machine will connect
    every part of the proletarian mind.
    This machine will allow the proletariat
    to make itself conscious, and
    create a world of peace, abundance,
    and genuine community for all.

    Nov 2, 2017 -- Ben Seattle

    ================================================== ==
    Chapter 1 -- The beta version
    ================================================== ==
    1.1 - A new exploiting class
    1.2 - Counterweight to imperialism
    1.3 - Never reached stability, confusion resulted
    1.4 - What remains today ?
    ........ Reformist trends
    ........ Cargo cults
    ........ The crisis of theory
    1.5 - Capital and its human host
    1.6 - Capital based on commodity production
    1.7 - What is our alternative?
    1.8 - Centralized police state is not an alternative
    1.9 - Handwaving & double-talk no alternative
    1.10 - Emancipation is inevitable
    1.11 - All problems flow from the rule of capital
    1.12 - Transparency
    ........ What has been concealed will be revealed
    1.13 - A weapon of immense power
    ================================================== ==
    Chapter 2 -- The coming century of information war
    ================================================== ==
    2.1 - A bubble waiting to burst
    2.2 - The promise of transparency
    2.3 - Hamster on a wheel
    2.4 - An itch you can't scratch
    2.5 - Sweep away all obstacles
    2.6 - Knowledge or ignorance?
    2.7 - Which ideas will win?
    2.8 - Knowledge suppressed, ignorance amplified
    2.9 - Terrified of knowledge
    2.10 - Thirsty for knowledge
    2.11 - We need a level playing field
    2.12 - The 2011 Arab revolts
    2.13 - Bourgeois reaction to threat of consciousness
    ================================================== ==
    Chapter 3 -- We need our own democratic machine
    ================================================== ==
    3.1 - Why is this taking so long?
    3.2 - What are we missing?
    3.3 - Our machine must be democratic
    3.4 - No salvation from the organized left
    3.5 - Nothing more democratic than facebook
    3.6 - Everything revolves around signal-to-noise
    3.7 - Facebook is not democratic
    3.8 - Mysterious robots
    3.9 - Democratic robots
    ================================================== ==
    Chapter 4 -- How will we do this?
    ================================================== ==
    4.1 - Nothing can be erased
    4.2 - No central authority
    4.3 - Permanent public record
    4.4 - User will be the final authority
    4.5 - Summary of the basic plan
    4.6 - What about the problems?
    ================================================== ==
    Chapter 5 -- Likely stages of development
    ================================================== ==
    5.1 - Principles and prototypes
    5.2 - Centrifugal forces
    5.3 - Centripetal forces
    5.4 - Capture and re-creation
    5.5 - The core will emerge
    5.6 - Expansion
    ================================================== ==
    Chapter 6 -- Why we will win
    ================================================== ==
    ........ Commodity vs. free information
    6.1 - The culmination of an ancient struggle
    ================================================== ==
    Appendix A -- A world without money or powerful bureaucrats
    Appendix B -- Some ideas for the "post-it note" machine
    ================================================== ==
    More info ...
    ...... http://struggle.net/ben
    ...... https://WarForQuadrantTwo.wordpress.com
    ...... I am on facebook as "Ben Stevens"


    Join me on facebook or my blog for discussion.

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    Alright I'll hit you quick. I read your table of contents, clicked on your link, and skimmed your 'essay.' Initial thoughts:
    - too many chapters, too little content.
    - a paragraph is not a chapter. it is a paragraph, aka a portion of a page, which is itself a portion of a series of pages, which is a portion of a chapter.
    - too many appendixes. this is an essay, not a book. if you have an appendix (or two) you should assimilate that information into your essay instead.
    - terrible format. why three pages per page? just make it one page per page. then see how it feels. if it feels weird then it probably isn't ready.
    - tone is too casual. you don't need to say, for example: "now anyone who carefully thinks about what i have described will be able to easily imagine about a thousand things that can (and will) go wrong. i certainly have." you clearly haven't imagined these things or they would be incorporated into your essay already and this sentence would be self-refuting.
    - too wordy. you ask questions that could be important and then vocalize your own response: "yes. it will." let your theory speak for you. only weak theories need to be supported by a narrative voice, like a hype man, that affirms shit.
    - ask yourself: how much of this shit has already been said? if it's been said, don't say it again. either quote it and attribute it properly or just assume it's known.

    Look, it's clear you put a lot of thought and time into this so I'm not trying to shit all over your energy and effort. I'm just saying that no one is going to read this because there are ample theories to read and this one needs to be flushed out and developed a lot more. Keep at it and don't be afraid to let it go if it doesn't work out. Lord knows everyone on this forum has written a fucking essay on shit that needs to change or how to change it, and most should sit where they are because they were necessary to our evolution as thinkers and little else. I know I have.
    If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be.
    - Karl Marx
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    Default Congratulations for being the first person on record who has skimmed my essay

    Hi Decolonize the Left,

    Congratulations for being the first person on record who has actually skimmed my essay. I had gotten the impression that no one on RevLeft would take any interest whatsoever in the Spartacus machine.

    As far as your well-meaning suggestions for how I can improve the essay--I can only repeat the words of Lennon (John, not Vladimir) that "we're all doing what we can". That is a respectful way of saying that my time is limited. At least I did manage to write it--and spell most of the words correctly most of the time.

    > you clearly haven't imagined these things or they
    > would be incorporated into your essay already

    I do not list these things because of the need for concision. Essay is 18 thousand words. Reader want and need concision. I think the essay is good because I cover the necessary topics without too many unnecessary words. Concision counts, ok?

    Any serious essay will be written with words, and will be based on casting light on key principles, and will make an effort to respect the time of readers. Some readers will find the principles to be of interest--and others will not.

    Will a new kind of public and democratic information machine emerge in this century? I believe it will. That is what my essay is about. Do you agree or not? You don't say, and I can't read your mind, but I would like to know, if you have an opinion.

    I am also interested in the views of other readers also.

    All the best,
    Ben Seattle
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