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    The so-called 'Militant tendency' were thoroughly exposed as opportunists when they adopted chauvinist positions on a number of different issues. Most notably with regard to the Malvinas conflict in 1982.

    I think we can all agree that currently existing offshoots of the aforementioned undesirables, namely the self-styled "committee of the workers international" and equally misnamed "international marxist tendency" must be mercilessly hunted and destroyed like the rats that they are!

    Practical question: How do we go about performing this very important task?
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    The so-called 'Militant tendency' were thoroughly exposed as opportunists when they adopted chauvinist positions on a number of different issues. Most notably with regard to the Malvinas conflict in 1982.

    I think we can all agree that currently existing offshoots of the aforementioned undesirables, namely the self-styled "committee of the workers international" and equally misnamed "international marxist tendency" must be mercilessly hunted and destroyed like the rats that they are!

    Practical question: How do we go about performing this very important task?
    sure thing buddy.
    "I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
    Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
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    I find your glib reply to this rather serious matter cause for concern.

    Are you not fully aware of just how chauvinist and opportunist this group was?
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    I'm willing to bet that there is no real cause for alarm in regards to this group.
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    The fact that sympathisers of these chauvinists are allowed to post here invalidates this forum's claim to be revolutionary (it's what I believe the "rev" in "revleft" is supposed to stand for)

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    Answer this question: what actual danger is posed by them?

    Second, who even are these people?
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    Peter the Taaffe looks like Mr Magoo.
    Haha, lol.
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    This kind of fratricidal idiocy was perhaps somewhat entertaining in the lull the left found itself in a few years ago but has long outlived it's novelty. Perhaps we should turn you and the militant tendency both into fertilizer? You would at least be of use to the public at that point.
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    I mean, you're describing a lot of Marxists when you say that.
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    The so-called 'Militant tendency' were thoroughly exposed as opportunists when they adopted chauvinist positions on a number of different issues. Most notably with regard to the Malvinas conflict in 1982.

    I think we can all agree that currently existing offshoots of the aforementioned undesirables, namely the self-styled "committee of the workers international" and equally misnamed "international marxist tendency" must be mercilessly hunted and destroyed like the rats that they are!

    Practical question: How do we go about performing this very important task?
    You're seemingly calling for murder and barbarism here.... How do you think this will work out on an internet forum? What do you do other than call for other leftists to be persecuted? Why, out of literally all the things that need addressing right now, do you think that this is a "very important task?"
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    You're seemingly calling for murder and barbarism here.... How do you think this will work out on an internet forum? What do you do other than call for other leftists to be persecuted? Why, out of literally all the things that need addressing right now, do you think that this is a "very important task?"
    Because they support British imperialism. Isn't that evident from the OP?

    Also, I couldn't help but notice a rather sanctimonious tone. As a moderator of a forum that allows a platform for racist propaganda defending British colonialism and child abuse fantasies are you really in a position to take the moral high ground?
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    Alan woods is a windbag, tell me what you think of the USSR.
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    Alan woods is a windbag, tell me what you think of the USSR.
    I fail to see what relevancy my opinion of fSU has to with the topic in hand. [although I feel an attempt at a false equivalency is being drawn in order to deflect attention from the issues raised in this thread]
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    Most notably with regard to the Malvinas conflict in 1982.
    If you think supporting Argentina in that instance is any better than supporting the U.K. then you're pretty wrong and inconsistent in your analysis of imperialism. Not to mention, actual territorial imperialism is a bit secondary to the more developed economic imperialism of our age, no?
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    Because they support British imperialism. Isn't that evident from the OP?

    Also, I couldn't help but notice a rather sanctimonious tone. As a moderator a forum that allows a platform for racist propaganda defending British colonialism and child abuse fantasies are you really in a position to take the moral high ground?
    The only thing you mentioned regarding supposed support for British imperialism was "Most notably with regard to the Malvinas conflict in 1982." But in the Militant newspaper of the time, 9/April/1982, they wrote: "Workers can give no support whatsoever to the lunatic adventure now being prepared by the Thatcher government... the Labour Party and the trade union movement could stop Thatcher dead in her tracks. The labour movement must declare that it has no confidence whatsoever in the policies or methods of the British government... Labour must demand a general election in order that a Labour government can support and encourage workers’ opposition in Argentina." The argument of Militant at the time regarding the Malvinas conflict was to encourage the labour movements of both Britain and Argentina to organise to prevent the war.


    Like, there's lots of things to criticise Militant for but support for imperialist war is not one of them.
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    I fail to see what relevancy my opinion of fSU has to with the topic in hand. [although I feel an attempt at a false equivalency is being drawn in order to deflect attention from the issues raised in this thread]
    No, it's relevant. If you hold this (tiny) group in such a regard that you consider them a large threat but hold uncritical or inconsistently critical views of the USSR then it exposes your hatred for the "Militant tendency" as historical role play/drama.
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    “We must terminate the new fascist movements and rallies” ...makes sense, if the fascists normalize their claims of free-speech, then the will be able to hold rallies and have “protest” actions such as opposing strikers or marching through immigrant neighborhoods with torches and bats.

    “We must terminate the union bureaucracy’s hold on the labor movement.” ...ok, I agree, but it’s kind of vague sloganeering. Workshop this and come back with a plan to help build rank and file power and organization.

    “We must terminate the militant tendency...” huh? Who?
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    Because they support British imperialism. Isn't that evident from the OP?
    No, it isn't. You're just claiming random shit and saying we should kill people over it.

    Also, I couldn't help but notice a rather sanctimonious tone. As a moderator of a forum that allows a platform for racist propaganda defending British colonialism and child abuse fantasies are you really in a position to take the moral high ground?
    I am not affiliated with any of the parties/groups you're in a huff about, so yes, I can take the moral high ground because you are literally just whining about sectarian shit to a bunch of random people on the internet (if you're this pissed off and serious, I dunno, provide some evidence for your claims?). Also, you didn't answer my other questions so I'll post them again:
    - How do you think this murdering of people will work out on an internet forum?
    - What do you do other than call for other leftists to be persecuted?
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