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Lol, you’ve swallowed too much conservative gruel. A) Antifa isn’t even an organization let alone a “fascist” one. B) George Soros - lol! C) paid? I’m owed back wages then... seriously, if anyone going to anti-fascist rallies is paid, it’s probably some under cover cops.
Again - anti-fascism is not about stoping them from speaking because someone doesn’t like it - it’s about counter-organizing against people seeking actual harm against immigrants, the poor, protesters, women and the left.
Someone saying a slur is the wrong analogy... more like punching someone in the face for trying to hang a noose outside a black church and claiming it’s “just free speech”.
I think Boston was the best example of a way to go about it, but my criticisms of antifa are about the effectiveness of those methods for stopping fascists.
I can't figure out where I can pick up my sorosbucks
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
fascist 'free speech' is fascist organizing for the immediate restriction of 'free speech' and freedom generally for most of our species and fascists have already engaged in this specific violence in several ways, and then called for more, with a line between the 'soft-right' and 'neo-nazi's' in some situations having never been an actual line or is one that is blurring more and more. Same with the line between 'The State', and fascists, here and abroad.
i think most people who get hurt because they said a racist word will not repeat the behavior that got them hurt, not in the same way at least (physically, financially, to some extent arguably PR). Without getting into the ridiculous discussion of what violence is, that some anarchists like to peddle hopefully for intellectual cool points and not because they actually believe it, fascist organizing calling for actual fascist actions against students and people in the surrounding community was essentially punched in the mouth because the community had to defend itself.
lol how can you be surprised that when there's calls for violence against a lot of people that those threatened will defend themselves and each other from being attacked or violently displaced
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
Well, I still believe violence is not the way to change others opinions. And someone speaking about "freedom" is not the same as hanging a noose outside a church.
I think half of you guys are uneducated and blindly following false ideology or socialist instead of true left-wing communist. This is why I do not like associating to either left/right/center. Because they are all the same way. Too much ignorance and hatred for everything but your twin. This is why nothing good will ever come with the people of the world. One side only believes they are right and the others are wrong and vice versa on the other side. Everyone calls each other names. Each side is massively arrogant about their cause. Everyone wants to punch everyone.
Seems like history just keeps on repeating itself. One wants socialism which takes corporate warlords power and gives it to political warlords. One wants capitalism which takes the power from political warlords and gives to corporate warlords. People attempt communism which ends up exactly like socialism because people in power are always going to end up corrupt. Then when a countries political system wants more they wage war. Then we raise ignorant children to regurgitate the same endless circle over and over.
Hate is hate. No matter which direction it goes. Against a certain political ideology or someone who looks different. One side calling anyone who desires smaller government a fascist and one side calling anyone who desires a larger government fascist.
It is like everyone is calling everyone fascist. I am assuming this is because it is the only evil label that everyone knows. Is it because Italy, Spain, Japan and Germany were fascist in World War 2? If you look at the word fascism... Every government is fascist. Dictator, socioeconomic control, suppression of opposition through terror and censorship.
For some reason today people associate them self as a left-wing but they are socialist. Socialism is NOT left-wing.
fascism
(ˈfæʃɪzəm)n (sometimes capital)1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, suchas German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with anauthoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
Karl Marx thought that the path to pure communism you have to become socialist first. So apparently he believed that under a conservative government, which is smaller where more power is amongst the people but controlled by corporations, they should give the power to the government. Then apparently some angel that now rules would systematically create pure communism. This will never happen and I believe he is dead wrong. Path to pure communism goes the other way. From socialism to conservationism to communism. Gradual reduction in the power of the state.
The only difference between socialism and conservatism is who has the power. Neither really cares about the people.
This is what everyone fights over. I could care less if someone is racist or hates women. Hatred on both sides only keeps building hatred. Hatred with added hatred does not end up with peace and love.
So continue calling everyone white nationalists, fascist or whatever the new name will be tomorrow. The other side will do the same. Keep desiring to throw glass, urine and anything else you find. This will never end and nothing good will ever come of this world. War war and more war will be the only result. Loss of lives and destruction to the Earth. All for a desire in a shift of power.
It's not about changing their opinions, it's about stopping fascists from organizing and from being comfortable being fascists and by using violence because sometimes violence is necessary and is the only thing that will work.
i don't know what this means
its about people in revolt against conditions of life that have been set without their consent and with no escape from the conditions, and then there's fascists organizing openly again, for violence against students and others, and yeah direct action gets the goods, violence works, hail satan
all the sides are fighting one another because it is that type of war, what are you complicit in, is arrogance or ignorance an acceptable out, i don't think so, certainly not conversationally
yeah you should read about communism because there's a bunch of non-transitional communist and anarchist tendencies that you might find interesting
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
So militantly organizing to forcibly suppress your opposition is what Antifa is. But it is not Fascist because they are forcibly suppressing fascists. This is what you guys believe? Even tho it is the total definition of a fascist organization it is not fascist because its ok to forcibly suppress people you do not like? Which is exactly what fascists do.
This is some elementary-school stuff -- remember this -- ?
In other words, you're trying to imply *equivalence* between the fascist and anti-fascist positions. Fence-sitter much -- ? Do you see antifa types going around and terrorizing regular people when they're not doing their antifa stuff against actual *fascists* -- ? No, because if there's no active on-the-streets fascist threat then antifas are *not* threatening, as fascists are whenever they get their way.
Got it now -- ? One group is *dangerous* and *hazardous*, while the other isn't -- or, rather, is dangerous only to those who are dangerous to the public at large. Remember Heather Heyer -- ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_...k_and_homicide
You mean like Craig Paddock?
Gulag now
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
I don’t follow. What or who is like Greg Paddock?
Loar,
Do you think fascism is a threat or just a different opinion?
Do you think groups like Identity Evropa or people like Richard Spenser are fascists?
If people are claiming free speech but organizing to get left-wing professors fired and get immigrants removed or bullied out of universities, is it really “free speech” that they care about or just a pretext?
How do you propose people defend themselves or reduce the chances of a fascist movement developing in the US or France or India or wherever?
Fascism is horrible.
Richard Spencer is a redneck white supremest that is a registered Democrat. He has the right to speak but its all crap. Identity Evropa is seems to be like little Hitlers. Not all rallies were these people.
Left wing professors that talked about cops should be dead? That professor? Professors should only teach the curriculum. No more brainwashing. On both sides. They should all be fired.
Education. I do not mean school brainwashing. There will always be people who oppose each other. Have you ever been able to sit down with a conservative and been able to have a civil conversation without you or him getting angry? This should happen way more often than not. From what you guys are implying we basically need to murder those who oppose communism. That would end up with no more people on Earth that desire communism because there is a massive population difference in those who desire communism and those who do not. And say if even 10% of the USA desire communism can you really force 90% to surrender to it? There will always be fascism a-holes. They are probably 10% of the population also. Will you convince the other 80% to like you more than them if you act the same as them? To conquer fascism you will need to somehow convince the other 80% that you are not fascist and point those who are fascist out. Be civil in your conflicts. Be the better man.... This is not something you can do only because Trump is president. Obama was a socialist. Bush was a socialist. Bill was a socialist. Berny is a socialist. Hillary is fucking crazy. None of those give a shit about the people of the world. Now the world thinks that Antifa is a bunch of cry baby millennials that live in mommy's basement with nothing to do. So they dress up in masks and scare people that are republicans. Political zealots.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock
My dearest George,
Today we gulaged Loar. We need more sorosbucks to continue doing this because the gulags are getting really full. We haven't seen a sign of your money in years, and we'd really appreciate it if you could get back to us about our unpaid wages.
All the best,
BIXX
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
PS send $$ by overnight wire. It’s cold in mother’s basement and there’s nothing to do. Need participation trophies for our anchor babies.
PPS Hail Obama and his glorious death panels.
dressing up in masks and scaring republicans would be pretty fun
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
You can be as naive as you want. When you adopt fascist behavior you are fascist. These forums are fascist individuals living some dream that they are an opposition to what they believe is fascism. So you adopt fascist behavior to fight a stupid idea that everyone else in the world besides you are fascist. You guys are what is wrong with this world. Not a rally filled with black, white, brown, gay, straight, atheist, jews, muslims and christians. You can call a bunch of blacks, browns, jews, gay, straight, muslim christians racist all you want. You are the ignorant racist prejudice thugs of the world.
These forums are not left. They are alt right fascists.
yournewswire.com/antifa-payment-george-soros/
shadowproof.com/2017/02/25/professional-anarchist-soros-trump/
orwellianchronicle.net/2017/04/23/antifa-george-soros-and-the-fight-for-western-civilization/
thewashingtonstandard.com/george-soros-funded-terrorist-group-antifa-plans-make-us-ungovernable/
dailycaller.com/2017/07/31/the-anti-fascist-fascist/
medium.com/@Sard0n1ca/how-soros-came-to-own-or-fund-antifa-is-irrelevant-to-this-discussion-b53a5b9e3283
truthfeed.com/soros-funded-group-gave-50k-to-radical-group-antifa-who-provoked-berkeley-riot/50542/
intellihub.com/did-billionaire-leftist-george-soros-break-his-promise-to-antifa/
pastebin.com/Z4TXhyQS
It's apples-and-oranges -- what does the Las Vegas shooter have to do with political issues -- ?
It’s relevant because... right after the shooting, the alt-right circulated articles that he was an antifa or BLM supporter. The mainstream news briefly took the bait and then retracted. But Loar seems to get their news of the world from conservative hype machines and didn’t see the retraction? Just a guess.
What is our position on the ANITFA movement?
“You guys...” if Loar was sincere, then they’d see this thread and realize that antifa tactics are an open debate on this thread and on the Left in general.
I am a sympathetic critic of antifa. I think Street-fights are not the strongest way to stop the alt-right from becoming a fascist movement for Marxists or anarchists. I think Boston, a mass mobilization where the far right was humiliated and exposed as the unpopular scum that they are as thousands surrounded their small numbers, is the ideal tactic atm. This has the same effect as physical confrontation, but it shows the popular weight behind opposing the fascists and draws regular liberals closer to the left. We get stronger in addition to letting fascist know they are opposed and vastly outnumbered.
BUT the one thing “we” all generally agree on is that if the alt-right succeeded in building a fascist movement, then that would be a real physical threat to any BLM protest or activist, immigrants, trans-folks, women, the Left, striking workers etc.
Antifa and I agree that Fox News is not the same threat as the alt-right even though both have “disgusting” views. That Nazi online forums are not the same as NAZIs trying to mobilize a threatening physical presence in our communities etc.
But Loar seems to think everyone is a fascist or socialist from Bush to Obama to RevLeft posters with no distinction. They also seem to think that disagreeing or getting in a fight is the same as a clampdown on free-speech. Yet, antifa would never call on the government to repress the fascists (for ideological and practical reasons) while the alt-right and even liberals call on the government to repress antifa, BLM etc. Loar takes the alt-right’s claims of free-speech at face value even though they doxx feminists and left-wing activists to threaten and silence them.
Bad trolling is the most plausible explanation for Loar’s argument. But I could be wrong.
Well you are more pleasant to speak with. Alt-rights political views are bad. Antifa's presence in Boston was a good thing. Although the massive amount of cops might have kept it pleasant. In Boston it was more like a "Hey mother fucker we are watching you. We are against anything that is demeaning towards any type of person. We out number you."
For the life of me I can not understand the thought process that because someone looks different or has a different religion they are beneath anyone. Don't get me wrong though. I prejudge by appearance. It is just something I have developed throughout my years. But I do not hate because of the prejudge.
All mass media sucks. They are no longer desiring to give us the news they give us their political opinion of what is going on. I would love a news outlet that listed only facts of events and no political affiliation.
I think anyone taking any militant aggression towards those that have different beliefs to silence them are fascists. And BLM chanting kill white cops is not something I think is a good thing. There was a BLM march that took over a LGBT march. That was wrong. I am not a fan of BLM. Some of the organizations are good. Some are bad. Of course that is the same with any unorganized movement.
I always liked Gandhi way more than Malcolm X.
