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Well I thank Willow for that video, and I have never been so queasy and disgusted in my life. Unlike Conservatives and Liberals, the fascist does not want economic or social reform or focusing of the betterment of society; they want the total ethnic cleansing of our society and if they had the chance, the world. I am aggravated by this man whom takes pride in the fact that his ancestors were responsible for the colonization, rape, and murder of the peoples of Latin America and the Native America. I want nothing more than to see the likes of him ostracized by the society he lives in.
A rising of the masses requires no justification. [...] The masses followed our banner and our insurrection was victorious. And now we are told, "renounce you victory, make concessions, compromise". Compromise? To whom, I ask. Here no compromise is possible. To those who have left and to those who tell us to compromise we must say, "You are miserable bankrupts! Your role is played out! GO back to where you ought to go; in the dustbin of history!" -Leon Trotsky
"Let me say, at the risk of seeming ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love" -Ernesto "Che" Guevara
That's something that I was just talking with a friend of.mine about the other day actually. How fascists in the 20th century were interested in advancing science, various infrastructure issues, etc... Of course, all in the name of creating a better place to live for "Aryans" (which is the same justification they use for their mass exterminations of racial minorities). However, modern fascists of the 21st century have little to no interest in that sort of thing- their only interest is in the destruction of non-whites. I have to wonder why that is? Anyone have any articles or insights as to why this is?
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Thanks Bixx, I will try to locate such an article and send it to you. I do suggest however, that you disregard Eli'ill's posts. He was more interested with short quips about your arguments rather than trying to debate that issue. I commend the Admin Jimmie Higgins on his actually intelligent posts that has meaning. Not to take away on the posts that Eli was posting as well. I just dont see the need to become like those fascists whom argue with us. I want you all to treat each other like the comrades we are. We all joined RevLeft because we want to change this country and the world for the better, remember this comrades.
A rising of the masses requires no justification. [...] The masses followed our banner and our insurrection was victorious. And now we are told, "renounce you victory, make concessions, compromise". Compromise? To whom, I ask. Here no compromise is possible. To those who have left and to those who tell us to compromise we must say, "You are miserable bankrupts! Your role is played out! GO back to where you ought to go; in the dustbin of history!" -Leon Trotsky
"Let me say, at the risk of seeming ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love" -Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Dude, are you alright?
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
So I spend a little bit of time watching some youtube leftists and a lot of the time these folks make videos criticising the arguments of the far right youtubers. I know that the organised far right in the US aren't just a bunch of internet fucklords but these far right youtubers (Sargon of Akkad, BlackPigeon etc) essentially serve as gateways to fascist ideology. One thing that's pretty consistent is that these guys claim to be 'rationals' and their movement on youtube essentially emerged from the atheist movement which used to spend a lot of time debunking the arguments of creationists. Only, it's really fucking easy to debunk creationism because creationism is stupid. So when confronted with other aspects of science such as social sciences engaging with the position of women in society, transgenderism, and research on immigration etc they rarely do anything but a surface amount of research, appealing to the lowest forms of argument, and so in effect reject contemporary scientific research methodology and understanding to adopt positions that essentially are forty years old. And when you reject contemporary scientific understanding because it disagrees with your political ideology and when you believe that universities are nothing more than Jewish propaganda machines, then you can hardly consider 'advancing science' to be a part of your ideology. That's my take on it and it serves once again to reveal the inherent contradictions of fascism, that they sometimes claim to be rational science advocates but reject the scientific research that goes against their point of view.
Modern democracy is nothing but the freedom to preach whatever is to the advantage of the bourgeoisie - Lenin
What does "showing solidarity" to the antifascists even mean? Taking part in the confrontation? OK, well if one happens to erupt near you I suppose that's a definite option.
Purchasing protective gear or first aid supplies? I guess if there were some specialized group that could facilitate those kinds of logistics that would be an option.
Liking videos on facebook or posting glowing comments on reddit? Let's be honest, this is the most likely option available to those participating in this thread or reading it. Unfortunately it is not solidarity. The thumbs up icon can not save anyone. In fact this kind of solidarity if we call it that is detrimental to their success. A lack of authentic criticism will and let's be honest has allowed the wildest stupidity to run free.
The liberals and the identitarians will never find their silver bullet for fascism and so cheering them on amounts to betrayal if not out-right sabotage of the future. Shame on anyone hiding their lack of thought behind a flimsy veneer of solidarity.
What exactly did you find objectionable about my posts?
make it happen
jail support/legal, other actions, actions elsewhere
hardly anyone here or there would be interested in what you're describing above
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
I doubt it. I would wager that the amount of people posting uncritical comments in praise of antifa outweighs actual antifa participation 10:1 if not 100:1.
How does one create the confrontation as you suggest? What are the practical steps?
there's a fairly steady critique of the way of thinking you described in your last post that runs across communist/anarchist tendencies so it's highly unlikely that there is theoretical compatibility between the people who frequent such spaces and the activities you described in your previous post
In the event that there are more people posting praise of any type than involved in antifa action then so what because that smaller number was still successful on lots of occasions, but it is more likely that the antifa action you are trying to generalize isn't the only type of action taking place.
Imo the position you're taking dismisses instances where people unaffiliated and unfamiliar with anarchist and communist praxis engaged in revolt against fascism and the police.
just look around and you can see how confrontation occurs, from the us election riots to the inauguration riots, to the waves of direct actions against fascism and the police
there is a growing connectedness within a violent flight from a form of life and civilization that we all know is on its deathbed
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
Ele'ill I don't mean this as an insult but I can't find any content in your posts. I feel like someone took some piece from tiqqun, loaded all the text into a database and then wrote up a program to spit random entries out at people. I genuinely do not know what you just wrote.
I pretty much just restated what I had already posted and there's nothing overly complex in my post. I don't mean this as an insult either but if you're having trouble maybe spend some time in the learning forum, but it's probably obnoxious to continuously interject into conversations on topics you are unfamiliar with.
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
"a violent flight from a form of life and civilization that we all know is on its deathbed". Yeah that's gibberish, it also doesn't reflect reality. Have people stopped going to work? Does the water from your tap still flow? Are the markets stocked? How about those riots? Are they still going on?
These are empty words. People have been signalling the impending collapse of civilization for oh.... all of recorded history?
sorry you didn't get it, what about the rest of my post(s) that you haven't responded to
yes
oh yeah the world's water is doing pretty good
yes
you realize civilizations have collapsed right
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
The rest of that post was unintelligible as I said. You're side stepping and its really obvious. No people have not stopped going to work is the answer you were afraid to give. Yes your water still flows was the answer you were afraid to give. Yes the markets are still stocked is the answer you are afraid to give. And yes the riots have stopped is the answer you are afraid to give, isolated stick-fights not withstanding.
individual civilizations collapse and yet Civilization continues, peculiar no?
Actually do you guys remember when the LA riots were the signal that the people were rising up and that all this was over? because I do.
Remember when the Seattle riots were the signal that the people were rising up and that all this was over? I do.
Remember when the largest anti-war protests ever were the signal that people were rising up and that all this was over? I do.
Remember when the Arab spring was the signal that the people were rising up and that all this was over? I do.
Remember when Occupy wall street riots the signal that the people were rising up and that all this was over? Yep.
Remember when the Kiev riots were the signal that the people were rising up and that all this was over? Uhhuh.
Remember when Ferguson was the signal that the people were rising up and that all this was over? lol.
I'm quite interested in your age to be honest. <30? <20? <18?
Recuperation, you realize that when something dies it takes a while to decompose, right?
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Sure, show me the death and I'll believe in the decomposition.
you're avoiding the original topic by not responding to most of what's in my posts, you're pretending to become sidetracked with some silly tiqqun/civilization distraction that you beelined for even though you 'don't get it'', but the rest of the post is some how the unintelligible part
unemployment and shitty precarious life spreads across the world and you're talking about people not going to work lol
what use is unusable water and dead oceans
sometimes thanks to ecological collapse the water doesn't run like in areas completely destroyed by unusually strong storms and lengthy droughts
it's not just about riots though and they have continued for the same reasons all over the world
it's not peculiar, revolts are crushed and people are destroyed, a civilization may collapse and another emerge but what does that look like now?
there were people saying all kinds of dumb stuff throughout what you've listed here but there were other discussions and perspectives that were more interesting than 'all this was over' as if that was a thing
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
The original topic is support for antifa. You haven't said much in relation to it other than "its working". What else is there to say? I don't care about side tracking you. I'm fond of tiqqun myself so its easy to see it dripping off both your posts and BIXX's is all. I imagine perlman is another favorite for you two. Unfortunately you wield the language without much skill and their fancy words can't make up for your own lack of content.
I know what you really want is some pointless tendency dick measuring content, but alas I won't be giving it to you.
Precarious work, lack of access to proper drinking water, eruptions of violence, none of this is new. Crisis has been humanity's habitat for a very long time. Which is why we developed methods of control which wholly rely on it. The more you escalate, the deeper you get.
you've taken this wildly off-topic and not stuck with a particular topic and this is a thread about antifa and not really a place for freefloating ramble so i'm done enabling that but after this post
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"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
For what i can tell about antifa in my country(greece) they are ultraleftists who dont contribute anything that actually matters.
