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What is your point in relation to my post?
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
Why don't you want to answer my question? Perhaps the relation will become clear to you after we've established a position or two.
Because I want to better understand your question which is why I asked how it related to the post. I'm trying to receive clarification by asking clarifying questions.
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
As a separate question to the thread, where was the left and its party building while other communists and anarchists, along side people not formerly connected to insurgent politics but acting as insurgents anyways, fought the police, shut down fascist organizing events, and rallies, where fascist direct action was threatened against student bodies and communities
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
It's a pretty straight forward question. Your answer would either be yes, no, or I don't know. All of which are fine answers which will allow us to continue with the discussion.
i understand the possible answers to that question, what I don't understand is how your question is related to my post. In order to quickly answer your question and elaborate if I am able to, I asked you clarifying questions which you have not answered.
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
Very well, let's say that it has no relation whatsoever to your previous post. Is mass membership within the NSDAP what caused fascism to take hold in Germany?
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
So, would you agree that disruption of the NSDAP and its organizing would not have been sufficient to stop the growth of fascism? Given that its numerical membership was not the key to it taking power in Germany?
Preventing the Nazis from taking power would have looked like direct disruption of their events- as well as immediate communist measures (which various people who label themselves as "antifa" do make attempts at, to varying levels of success). Not party building, but commune building.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Do you think it would look exactly the same? I think disrupting their rallies and organizing events both public and private carries with it more than just the action itself, it shows a way to do something. There is an uprising against fascist ideas and disruptions of their organizing with what could be called community defense against fascism, which is communist activity. Especially after the disillusionment or pessimism of politics and the police.
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
Thats just the point though, the anti-fascists in Germany went to extreme lengths to disrupt the NSDAP and did so with a fair amount of success in that regard. Not simple beatings, or interrupting speeches, I'm talking gun battles in the streets. And they had numbers, tactics, weaponry and importantly, a will that antifa can only dream of. It all amounted to absolutely nothing, the fascists still took power with ease. Doing something is not enough, not when it doesn't work. Theres a massive hole in the logic being deployed by the antifascists of our day, they've learned nothing from the past. They're playing at a game, adopting slogans and costumes that are not theirs. Luckily for them their opponents are also playing it for the time being. But if you cling to confrontation alone as a strategy, you will not survive once this game is over and the real thing starts.
Step 1 of doing the right thing, is ceasing at once to do the wrong thing. Antifa is currently engaged in the wrong thing and they will fail as a result, even if they manage to beat up a few 4chan losers in a public park from time to time before that happens.
Willowtooth is the one who suggested party building, so if you want to argue about that you'll have to do it with them, I don't take an interest in it at this point in my life.
While I agree that Antifa is not as successful at stopping the Alt-Right Fascist movement, I also agree with Recuperation's statement that the techniques used by Antifa are not satisfactory to crush the growing Fascist movement here in America. We are not dealing with a typical right-wing movement that simply has their opinion with which to help people with; rather, we are dealing with a group that wishes to see the mass murder of millions of innocent people simply because of the color and circumstance of their birth. There is no other option with dealing with the indoctrinated group. They must be crushed under our heels with the precise swiftness that the working people are capable of. Remember comrades, the enemy is not our brethren whom simply attend these rallies, rather it is their leadership whom poison the minds of the youth so that they can assert dominance and control through the use of fear and hate that are our true enemies. I urge those on this forum, whether member or guest, to do their best at resisting both the fascist agenda, its leadership and in the worst possible case, be willing to fight,kill, and die for that sense of freedom that all people have a right to have.
A rising of the masses requires no justification. [...] The masses followed our banner and our insurrection was victorious. And now we are told, "renounce you victory, make concessions, compromise". Compromise? To whom, I ask. Here no compromise is possible. To those who have left and to those who tell us to compromise we must say, "You are miserable bankrupts! Your role is played out! GO back to where you ought to go; in the dustbin of history!" -Leon Trotsky
"Let me say, at the risk of seeming ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love" -Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Maybe. I think you mistook my post to willowtooth for optimism. Willowtooth said organizing events and rallies hadn't been shut down, they have. That is what my posts were addressing.
actions kept immediate communities safe and made it a thing to eject nazis
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
protests in florida right now https://itsgoingdown.org/igd-gainesv...ize-neo-nazis/
It's being heavily policed, the cops are throwing out protesters for everything from tattoos to bandannas. The nazis plans are to harass some local synagogues later on tonight. Haven't seen any "no gods no masters" banners, but the bob avakian gang might not have shown up yet. Have seen some free palestine signs though which is weird...
This is what shutdown looks like
I'm curious as to why you feel that is a shutdown vs other events not being a shutdown?
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
im kidding, nothings been shutdown obviously
try watching the live feed of the speech its fucking painful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctgkckX3qlU
So is it your opinion that not one fascist event has actually been shut down by antifa during this surge of antifa activity in response to the fascist mobilization that has been taking place for roughly a year?
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
sure why not?
Why dont you tell us what your opinion of antifa is
