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    Socialism is impossible in any meaningful sense unless there is democracy. We can quibble endlessly over what this entails, but democracy is essential. To quote Engels in 'the principles of communism', 'what will be the course of the revolution? Above all, it will establish a democratic constitution, and through this the direct or indirect dominance of the proletariat'. And it is quite clear to any observer that the DPRK is far and away from any semblance of democracy, and hence cannot be socialist.
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    Anticommunist BS. The DPRK is the closest thing to Engels' "democratic constitution" ensuring "the direct or indirect dominance of the proletariat" around today. You can be damn sure that Engels' definition of democracy has nothing to do with the sacred right to a quadrennial ritual to choose betweem a swindler or a thief.
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    Socialism is impossible in any meaningful sense unless there is democracy. We can quibble endlessly over what this entails, but democracy is essential. To quote Engels in 'the principles of communism', 'what will be the course of the revolution? Above all, it will establish a democratic constitution, and through this the direct or indirect dominance of the proletariat'. And it is quite clear to any observer that the DPRK is far and away from any semblance of democracy, and hence cannot be socialist.
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    Anticommunist BS. The DPRK is the closest thing to Engels' "democratic constitution" ensuring "the direct or indirect dominance of the proletariat" around today. You can be damn sure that Engels' definition of democracy has nothing to do with the sacred right to a quadrennial ritual to choose betweem a swindler or a thief.
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    Simply equating ALL forms of democracy with liberal capitalist democracy is spurious and foolish in the extreme. I am not a supporter of liberal capitalist bourgeois democracy, what I AM a supporter of is a society in which the workers and producers maintain a control over production, as well as over society as a whole, and if this is done in a socialistic manner, the consent of these workers and producers will be required for any kind of decision making. That's democracy. The DPRK is a strict caste society, which of course contradicts any kind of egalitarian social order, as the rule of the workers and producers would be. The DPRK is about as close to socialism as conceived by Marx and Engels(or Bakunin, or Kropotkin, or ANY revolutionary communist for that manner)as feudal Europe.
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    Simply equating ALL forms of democracy with liberal capitalist democracy is spurious and foolish in the extreme. I am not a supporter of liberal capitalist bourgeois democracy, what I AM a supporter of is a society in which the workers and producers maintain a control over production, as well as over society as a whole, and if this is done in a socialistic manner, the consent of these workers and producers will be required for any kind of decision making. That's democracy. The DPRK is a strict caste society, which of course contradicts any kind of egalitarian social order, as the rule of the workers and producers would be. The DPRK is about as close to socialism as conceived by Marx and Engels(or Bakunin, or Kropotkin, or ANY revolutionary communist for that manner)as feudal Europe.

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