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    The cops are now attacking antifa. Fuck the police.
    Have you been living under a rock for the past thousand years?
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    Have you been living under a rock for the past thousand years?
    Considering Ele'ill made many edits, they were likely responding live to the events as they were unfolding.
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    Have you been living under a rock for the past thousand years?
    There were reports of police deploying gas on side streets to stop people from getting to the park, which they later took. If the police had engaged the counter protest past that it would have been a pretty big clash that's why it's significant. What do you think about all the fascists getting run out of town yesterday?
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    Oops. I am a big dumbass. I see what you meant now lol. You were giving a play by play of what was going down. I apologize.

    What do I think about the fascists being run out of town? Good? I wish they never would've showed up in the first place.

    I also don't like the self-righteousness of the bourgeois class who act like they're all virtuous and shit for opposing fascists when they're over-privileged rich fucks. Fascism must be stamped out but it's not going away as long as we tolerate these people, too. The occupy movement really needs to get going again.
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    Here's a topically relevant article:


    Why is the media promoting Antifa?

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017...antif-a28.html
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    Here's a topically relevant article:


    Why is the media promoting Antifa?

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017...antif-a28.html
    Holy shit what a whiny babyish article.

    For one, the complaining about how Antifa is getting good coverage (ignoring that it is about how they've literally saved lives) while sites of "genuine opposition" (by which they mean themselves, they say as much in the article) are "respressed" (clearly ignoring the repression Antifa and anarchists have been facing lately, and in fact, forever). Furthermore this is a clear attempt by wsws to smear anarchist opposition, probably due to their masturbatory obsession with "Leon Trotsky, the greatest strategist of revolutionary socialism in the twentieth century..." Of course, we all know the history with Trotsky and anarchists.

    They even begin to parrot right wing talking points, saying, "Indeed, many of the groups involved in Antifa are essentially factions of the Democratic Party." Sure, and I collect my Soros checks every weekend before I go out partying with my acting buddies. Sound about right wsws? Furthermore, they claim that antifa "Ignored ... the role of the Democrats and the social and political conditions that create fascism." Now, I will say that I can only speak for my experiences with antifa and anarchists, but I find these groups consistently critical of the democrats, of their role in capital, and as of recent, their role in protecting and ensuring the birth of the fascist movement in the US.

    Their final paragraph reads, "A principled struggle against the threat of fascism and the Trump administration’s attacks on immigrants, democratic rights, health care, and living standards requires a fight against the entire political establishment and the capitalist system upon which it is based. It is not punch-ups with Nazis, but the independent political organization and mobilization of the working class, on a socialist program, that is the urgent task." In their effort to smear anarchists, they forget that most anarchists wouldn't take issue with this statement, other than pointing out that those "punch-ups with Nazis" aren't just getting your jollies off, they're literally protecting lives. If wsws wants to stand aside and build a "workers" party while people are being murdered, so be it. And as for the anarchists that disagree with that statement, perhaps they aren't so interested in the roleplay involved in the wsws and are more interested in organizing themselves now to begin the fight- now.


    Basically, ckaihatsu, I took the time to read one of your articles, and it's just as shit as I'd have guessed. It does pose a question that I think does need to be asked, regarding media coverage and antifa, but it uses that question to smear their opposition and fails to truly answer that question.
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    It does pose a question that I think does need to be asked, regarding media coverage and antifa,

    Well, the strength of the WSWS (I'm not affiliated with it) is their timeliness on current events, and analysis.



    but it uses that question to smear their opposition and fails to truly answer that question.

    I think it's just left-positioning, to say that fighting fascists isn't the be-all and end-all of what revolutionary socialism is, and that ultimately there has to be rank-and-file organizing to realize workers power, for revolution.
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    (I'm not affiliated with it)
    Then why do you post so many of their articles? If it's because
    ... the strength of the WSWS is their timeliness on current events, and analysis.
    Why not it's going down, or their Twitter?

    I think it's just left-positioning, to say that fighting fascists isn't the be-all and end-all of what revolutionary socialism is, and that ultimately there has to be rank-and-file organizing to realize workers power, for revolution.
    Of course that's why they say, "Antifa attracts disoriented layers particularly among the middle class..." They're not trying to smear the people who fight fascists, who risk their lives doing so, they're just saying that they have a "program compatible with the aims of the Democratic Party and the ruling elite". It's just political positioning! It can't possibly be a smear campaign.

    That article is an example of statist-communist nuerosis and nothing more- their obsession with being the only true communists requires that they smear and (as their beloved founder, Lean Trotsky shows us) kill anyone who delegitimizes their claim to authority.

    How much money do you owe them ckaihatsu? I'm sure revleft could use some of the donation funds to help pay off your debts.

    A question that isn't a joke though: do you work for them?
    "I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
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    big edit- similar to this article, do the likes of chris hedges and his followers feel that they can defend communities from fascists, who are openly organizing for violence? What about from the police presence that was already mobilized to engage in violence against communities?
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    Then why do you post so many of their articles? If it's because

    Why not it's going down, or their Twitter?

    This isn't clear -- you may want to rephrase. I already said why WSWS articles are worthwhile.



    I think it's just left-positioning, to say that fighting fascists isn't the be-all and end-all of what revolutionary socialism is, and that ultimately there has to be rank-and-file organizing to realize workers power, for revolution.


    Of course that's why they say, "Antifa attracts disoriented layers particularly among the middle class..." They're not trying to smear the people who fight fascists, who risk their lives doing so, they're just saying that they have a "program compatible with the aims of the Democratic Party and the ruling elite". It's just political positioning! It can't possibly be a smear campaign.

    It's not so much a 'smear campaign' as it's sectarianism and left-positioning for broader struggles, meaning labor.

    Also the crux of the article has to do with the corporate *media*'s co-opting of this recent mass-eye-opening event.



    That article is an example of statist-communist nuerosis and nothing more- their obsession with being the only true communists requires that they smear and (as their beloved founder, Lean Trotsky shows us) kill anyone who delegitimizes their claim to authority.

    You're sounding pretty neurotic yourself, there, BIXX.



    How much money do you owe them ckaihatsu? I'm sure revleft could use some of the donation funds to help pay off your debts.

    A question that isn't a joke though: do you work for them?

    I already said that:



    I'm not affiliated with it

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