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    I love how you reject my idea but then restate your belief in American hillbilly warfare against the liberals in the cities.
    Reject your idea? There wasn't anything to reject. You just said ship all of the white people in the world off to a gulag. If attacking an overprivileged demographic publically is done for the purpose of starting a dialogue I can understand that...but in this case it's fucking useless. Do you mean send everyone that identifies as white or defends whiteness off to gulag? I can agree that those people are a problem. Do you mean that, under socialism, you would have some kind of authority in place that gets to decide who is "white" and who is not, and then you send those people, regardless of class, to a gulag? That's not communism. It's dialectically unsound, reactionary nonsense, a waste of fucking time, and gives ammunition to fascists. Combined with your anti-homosexual insinuations on the other thread, I wouldn't be surprised if you're just a deep cover fascist trying to stir up shit.

    I doubt he even knows what that is, he's a victim of right wing rural persecution who is weary of the passivity of his local reformists. He envisions Lenin as Bernie Sanders with an AK-47. His cognitive dissonance is bemused by thoughts of mutual struggle against the so-called big big city liberals. So he dresses up in devil worshipers clothing and declares all knowledge is evil and the Communist manifesto is the most so. Please don't take this one's emotive doctrines as dogma they belie only a deep internal struggle that can only be conquered by devout instruction. Sourced from a place that can not only be directly challenged, but can dole out punishment accordingly. Which will only be greeted with the strictest adherence, loyalty, and child-like adoration purposeful only as cannon fodder, and just as lucid and coherent as your local suicide bomber
    Wow, so I guess you have me all figured out, huh? You're right about one thing - I don't know (or care) what I am. I mean, I know that I'm a pro-Lenin communist...but as for spefic labels (such as Third Worldist, Hoxhaism, Left-Communist, etc), I eschew them. Factionalism is problematic and I try and avoid it (except when it comes to absolutely fucking despising identity politics, liberalism, and anti-Marxism - which is, without a doubt, the reason for all of your ongoing butthurt). As for referring to people, human beings, as bumpkins and hillbillies, that's disgusting. There are lumpenproles among their ranks but many of those people are deceived by the right-wing establishment, and dismissing them rather than trying to educate them is the least communist thing you can do. It's arrogant, self-important, neo-liberal elitism. It's very obvious to me that you have absolutely no understanding of Marxist dialectics, and you offer absolutely bupkis in the way of critical debate, theory, or methods of activism. It's always just a sentence here or there that amounts to nothing more than a hyper-liberal attempt at edginess. I wouldn't be surprised if you have a Che shirt in your closet. Either that or you're a deep-cover fascist trying to make us look bad.
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    I wouldn't be surprised if you have a Che shirt in your closet.
    What's wrong with Che Guevarra?
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    What's wrong with Che Guevarra?
    Nothing. My point is that communism is all too often relegated to nothing more than a fashion statement to little kiddies seeking only to make a novelty out of themselves.

    Let's put away our squabbles. I can agree that white people suck but that's the least of our disagreements. You and I have very different ideas when it comes to communism, social activism, the 1st and 3rd world, rural proles, and the state apparatus. I honestly don't give two shits about your racial bait; you're wrong about me and it's irritating.
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    I can agree that white people suck but that's the least of our disagreements.
    who said white people suck?
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    who said white people suck?
    Me. White people, as a concept/identity as well as an institution, suck.

    But what do we do about that?

    I think it's an important question seeing as how whiteness, white identity and white supremacy might possibly be the biggest obstacle to socialism in the western world.
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    Me. White people, as a concept/identity as well as an institution, suck.

    But what do we do about that?

    I think it's an important question seeing as how whiteness, white identity and white supremacy might possibly be the biggest obstacle to socialism in the western world.
    Are you saying white people suck or white supremacy sucks? because those are two different things
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    What is this some kind of interrogation?

    Are you saying white people suck or white supremacy sucks? because those are two different things
    Why don't you just come out and ask me who was the most influential socialist of the 19th century? Or who controls the means of production?

    You say you are a communist you should already know about race and white identity and it's role and purpose pertaining to class struggle in the developed world.
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    What is this some kind of interrogation?
    that's not an answer, are you dodging the question?

    You say you are a communist you should already know about race and white identity and it's role and purpose pertaining to class struggle in the developed world.
    No I don't... care to explain it?
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    What is this some kind of interrogation?
    I wouldn't be surprised if you're just a deep cover fascist trying to stir up shit.
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    Either that or you're a deep-cover fascist trying to make us look bad.
    Lol, why do you do this to yourself. I've seen you do this twice now in the short time I've been back.

    Also, c'mon, I think you're probably smart enough to realize that his point was that his joke about putting all white people including babies and old people (especially them) into gulags was as ridiculous as your assumption that some local yokel battalion could blitzkrieg the cities for... Some reason I guess, would be an important step for communism. I mean, do you seriously believe that a redneck phalanx armed with gardening hoes would do much to convince inner city POC to join in their fight? You seriously believe that? C'mon now. I'm no fan of willowtooth but you gotta realize that what you said sounds like some sort of drug induced rambling.
    "I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
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    Lol, why do you do this to yourself. I've seen you do this twice now in the short time I've been back.

    Also, c'mon, I think you're probably smart enough to realize that his point was that his joke about putting all white people including babies and old people (especially them) into gulags was as ridiculous as your assumption that some local yokel battalion could blitzkrieg the cities for... Some reason I guess, would be an important step for communism. I mean, do you seriously believe that a redneck phalanx armed with gardening hoes would do much to convince inner city POC to join in their fight? You seriously believe that? C'mon now. I'm no fan of willowtooth but you gotta realize that what you said sounds like some sort of drug induced rambling.
    I live in rural Ohio. I know first hand how backwards and reactionary these people can be. But I also know that they are brainwashed and hurting. The liberal approach is to call them bumpkins and insult them. This leads to fascism. The 2016 election was the chickens coming home to roost; leaders like Trump are the unintended results of liberalism.

    Obviously, I do not support the idea of rural Americans laying siege to cities...yet. There's no class-consciousness there. Their anger is misdirected and they are largely ignorant, superstitious, and reactionary. But we need leftist outreach here. You would be incredibly surprised at how open some of the people I interact with are to our ideas when you bring it down to their level. As for uniting with people of color...yes. It is very much my most sincere hope that the poor rural people and people of color can unite because they are often very much alike and if we could separate the rural proles from their whiteness, we could foster mass action and a general strike in the interest of social justice.

    Check out this video (generally everything SNL does is horrible but I found this downright amazing):

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    This leads to fascism.
    that's a veiled threat, nothing more

    Obviously, I do not support the idea of rural Americans laying siege to cities...yet.
    you just said you did man? fuck you had us worried we thought you were going to drive your car into a farmer's market and kill a bunch of white folks for some strange reason. You gotta give us break?! Yeesh....

    Check out this video (generally everything SNL does is horrible but I found this downright amazing):
    No, check out my SNL video its better


    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li.../2822128?snl=1
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    I live in rural Ohio. I know first hand how backwards and reactionary these people can be. But I also know that they are brainwashed and hurting. The liberal approach is to call them bumpkins and insult them. This leads to fascism. The 2016 election was the chickens coming home to roost; leaders like Trump are the unintended results of liberalism.
    Lol, trying to throw me in with the liberals is a fucking joke coming from someone who supports marriage reform. Also, no, insults aren't liberal, they're fun. Anyone can use them. And I'm only insulting them because your idea of redneck phalanx tactics being the key to communism is fucking ridiculous. Partially because to distinguish between "rural" and "urban" is a massive fuvking myth under capital, but also because what the fuck does an army of people from "rural" areas waging war on "the cities" (which is nebulous at best-selling what counts as a city? How big can a town get before it's a city? What about somewhere like Corvallis, OR, which is relatively small but compared to Silverton, OR, is fucking massive?). Furthermore defining urban whites as "the enemy" when they can and do role in the same families, neighborhoods, gangs, and workplaces as your precious "trojan horse" POC (btw, are POC pawns to be used in your imaginary commie war) lacks any class analysis. I don't care about class analysis myself but you sure seem to, so be consistent. Furthermore, the narrative you support is essentially aesthetic with no ground in real world situations and the complexities that fill those situations.

    In regards to fascism, it isn't our strategies that lead to fascism, or the strategy if liberals, but the material reality of capital in the social body.

    Obviously, I do not support the idea of rural Americans laying siege to cities...yet.
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=BtvHpXsffR4
    Man, you trust these people to lay siege to cities, ever?

    There's no class-consciousness there. Their anger is misdirected and they are largely ignorant, superstitious, and reactionary. But we need leftist outreach here. You would be incredibly surprised at how open some of the people I interact with are to our ideas when you bring it down to their level. As for uniting with people of color...yes. It is very much my most sincere hope that the poor rural people and people of color can unite because they are often very much alike and if we could separate the rural proles from their whiteness, we could foster mass action and a general strike in the interest of social justice.
    Aside from my nitpicking about even wanting "social justice" or how you feel that we need to bring our theory and praxis "down to their level" I also want to point out that it is not our job to organize people into our preconceived alliances, because the imaginary party emerges from within all of us, alliances already formed.

    What I'm saying is the lines are already drawn.

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