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In my opinion, AIDS has gotten out of hand. Therefore, I propose placing people who are HIV positive in permanent quarantine, where society is safe from them, and they are safer from the bacterium that would kill them because of their compromised immune systems. I strongly object to this myself, but I feel that it is a measure which must be taken.
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
i bet ur all like 40 and boring and not happy! - glamgirl610
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?... - @[email protected]@
Artificial gamma ray bursters can sterilise entire parsecs. Now THAT's a deterrent! - NoXion
I was only trying to defend the south pole - DarkAngel
Didnt you hear the about the devestation GM food had on farmers in India? They basically committed mass suicide due to the GM seeds they used. - Senora Che
Cuba is also really shit...so is Leninism and MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr! - The Anarchist Tension
And the Greeks were tan and brown not white. They could not have just made up their gods like that poped into their mind. -Comrade Zeke
Finally I got my hands on a copy of the communist manifesto. Like ......Aren't there any revised editions? - revolutionindia
Cuba does that.. They have Aids sanitariums.
I think it's a bad idea, though, because Aids Is a non- communicable disease, one that is only contracted through close personal contact, and not contagious, as opposed to airborne. Now, Airborne, that's a different story, quarantine as a preventive measure to contain it.
However, there is good news on the Aids front:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/...n.ap/index.html
What about the children and babies who have contracted HIV?
The answer is not to quarentine them, it's to educate people. You can not segregate a group of people away from life just because they have a virus...what about people who have Herpes, or Syphlis. Should we quaretnine them too?
we need to scrap the catholic church for a start, then people will use condoms, have better sex education and make condoms completely free for everyone in africa.
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just want to clarify--- the close personal contact I refer to is of course - HIV infected blood or body fluids transferred to an open wound or mucous membranes or contaminated blood transfusions. That is the only way of transmission. The common cold is much more infectious.
Yes, we must quarantine the children and babies too. The are innocent victims, and it is most unfortunate. The answer is to educate, however, education alone is not sufficent. I think we need to quarantine HIV infected people to make SURE that this deadly disease does not spread. Herpes and syphilis can not devastate the population in the way that HIV can. If we take swift action against HIV, then there will not be many people in these quarantines. I would rather see thousands of people in quarantines, then millions of people running around with HIV. Sometimes sacrifices must be made on behalf of the individual for the community, and I feel that this is one of those times.
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
i bet ur all like 40 and boring and not happy! - glamgirl610
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?... - @[email protected]@
Artificial gamma ray bursters can sterilise entire parsecs. Now THAT's a deterrent! - NoXion
I was only trying to defend the south pole - DarkAngel
Didnt you hear the about the devestation GM food had on farmers in India? They basically committed mass suicide due to the GM seeds they used. - Senora Che
Cuba is also really shit...so is Leninism and MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr! - The Anarchist Tension
And the Greeks were tan and brown not white. They could not have just made up their gods like that poped into their mind. -Comrade Zeke
Finally I got my hands on a copy of the communist manifesto. Like ......Aren't there any revised editions? - revolutionindia
People with HIV shouldn't be taken away from society, you shouldn't take rights away from them just because they are ill
And like some people said before, Aids can only be transmitted with sexually contact and blood
So wait.
You think that we should quarantine 23.5 million people living in Africa because they have AIDS? 23.5 million people! Are you that f'ing stupid? What if you had AIDS, living a normal life? Would you want to be quarantined? You are a f'ing idiot.
Even here at home, in the US. You want to quarantine well upwards of 42,000 people, only because they have AIDS?
You have the flu, and I could die because my immune system isn't very good. I want to quarantine you because I can die from the flu. I don't care if you have a very light case of the flu either, you still have it. I could very easily catch the flu, and we shouldn't quarantine those with the flu? In America, more people die from flu related illnesses, than they do from AIDS. So why shouldn't I quarantine you? It is a hell of a lot easier for me to catch the flu, then it is for me to contract AIDS.
I don't care if Cuba does this. You are a complete idiot. I want to quarantine your ass for having ignorant and completely asinine ideas. Can I do that?
Edit: link.. AIDS Fact Sheet
Well, you better not be talking to me. I don't agree with quarantining people who have HIV. I do have a cousin who died from it, as I'm sure other people here have had a relative or friend who has.
Midnight maraulder, I was around, was a teenager, when the AIDs epedemic first appeared.. and you are reacting in the same hysterical way society reacted BEFORE they knew exactly what caused it and how it was transmitted. It is now 20 years later. Yes, millions around the world have HIV... but, it is a disease that one contracts generally from being actively involved in certain irresponsible behavior, such as having sex without protection. It is so prevalent in Africa, because the people are kept ignorant about that it even exists. Like Anarchist Tension stated... Education is the only way to contain until they eventually find a cure or vaccination.
why do people in developed countries still get HIV?
I have personally watched it from the onset, from everyone in my generation completely abstaining from sex because EVERYONE seemed suspect, for fear of getting it ---to now.. 20 years later.... where the youth of society have never NOT known a world where HIV didn't exist .... and the attitude is sort of like... "Oh well, it's always been around" WRONG ATTITUDE! They see people like Magic Johnson, still alive and healthy and it gives the impression that they can screw around carelessly, and if they get it, they can just drink the cocktail and everything will be fine. (the "cocktail" is very expensive for a non-rich person, and does not work for everyone and has bad side-effects.)
A word about quarantine --- You better believe that if an airborne virus (spread through the air and contracted through breathing) such as Ebola, blew up to epidemic porportions ---- they would HAVE to quarantine, as bad as that sounds.
HIV/AID is not one of them.
Well, the AIDS quarantine policy in Cuba gets RESULTS. They have by far, the lowest rate of HIV infection in the world. Regardless if people are educated or not, people cannot be trusted to be sexually responsible. Even if they are capable of having a perfectly normal life, its nothing personal, but for the good of society I think that they should be placed in quarantine. As for Africa, its too late for a quarantine. To do such would be extremely expensive, and nearly impossible to do, even with unlimited resources. Education and condoms is all we can offer, and unfortunately for them, a lot of people are going to have to die.
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
i bet ur all like 40 and boring and not happy! - glamgirl610
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?... - @[email protected]@
Artificial gamma ray bursters can sterilise entire parsecs. Now THAT's a deterrent! - NoXion
I was only trying to defend the south pole - DarkAngel
Didnt you hear the about the devestation GM food had on farmers in India? They basically committed mass suicide due to the GM seeds they used. - Senora Che
Cuba is also really shit...so is Leninism and MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr! - The Anarchist Tension
And the Greeks were tan and brown not white. They could not have just made up their gods like that poped into their mind. -Comrade Zeke
Finally I got my hands on a copy of the communist manifesto. Like ......Aren't there any revised editions? - revolutionindia
It seems to me that putting HIV infected individuals under "quarantine" (That's the nice way of saying whacking them out) seems to me to not only be irresponsible to humanity but also barbaric and pedomorphic.
Didn't all those Mcarthy era slugs also say something similar about those "red devils from the east"? At least they had the balls to say "let's put all those pinkos on an island and nuke the fuckers....better yet, let's throw all them queers and niggers in there too"
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here, but this "answer" to the AIDS problem seems to be something a child might think up...It certainly gave us quite a laugh.
Perhaps in it's place we should consider the fact that retro viruses can only replicate by using sequences of the host's own DNA....Hmmmmm.....perhaps we should consider a germ-line HGE treatment that implants a gene into the DNA that the retro virus bonds with that produces HIV viruses that have been rendered benign. Or better yet, how about infecting the original virus with DNA that destroys the virus from the inside out once it has replicated.
Naw, lets just put all of 'em on an Island and blow their fucking houses up.
PS
Or we can all just nail someone with HIV. If the entire globe is infected then I assure you, a cure is right aroung the corner.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein
That's the thing, Midnight Marauder--- PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY -- Let's not legislate sex or illness with draconian laws and attitudes.
It is a person's prerogative to use a condom,(the smart thing to do) to decide to have sex with a given person or even to take the consequence of having unprotected sex.
Those choices do not put the WHOLE of society at risk.
Personal responsibility is all well and good, but I feel that this action will benefit society as a whole. Believe it or not, there are sociopaths who are infected with HIV, that feel that it is their life's duty to infect as many people as possible with HIV. I have a friend who works in the HIV field whose told me all about this type of thing. There are people who actually go out there looking to get the AIDS virus, as if it is some sort of "gift". Im not saying that all HIV positive people are like that, I am saying that it is undenyable that this measure to quarantine AIDS patients WILL save lives. Yes, sexual responsibility is good, but that doesnt mean that we should have to unnessessarily endanger the lives of people who are not sexually responsible, just in the name of securing a little extra freedom for a few thousand AIDS patients.
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
i bet ur all like 40 and boring and not happy! - glamgirl610
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?... - @[email protected]@
Artificial gamma ray bursters can sterilise entire parsecs. Now THAT's a deterrent! - NoXion
I was only trying to defend the south pole - DarkAngel
Didnt you hear the about the devestation GM food had on farmers in India? They basically committed mass suicide due to the GM seeds they used. - Senora Che
Cuba is also really shit...so is Leninism and MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr! - The Anarchist Tension
And the Greeks were tan and brown not white. They could not have just made up their gods like that poped into their mind. -Comrade Zeke
Finally I got my hands on a copy of the communist manifesto. Like ......Aren't there any revised editions? - revolutionindia
Good grief son, do you even know what sociopathology is?
I suggest you tell your "freiend" (6 to 1 he does not exist) that he needs to do more research before laying down a silly blanket statement like that.
I think the odds are that you really don't know WHAT it is you are trying to say.
I'm sure these people just LOVE when you speak for them, however you should probably just keep quiet.
Don't you think it would make more sense to address the HGE issue and how it relates to finding a cure rather then continue with this little "crusade" to "free" these disease riddles folks from their terrible life of trying to survive with a terrible disease in a world that allows kids like you to talk about sticking them all on an island and letting them "live in peace"?
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein
Again, MM:
Did you forget the flu kills more people in the US than that of AIDS.
Knowing this, should we not quarantine those with the flu, because more people do die?
You say people deliberately go around infecting others. People go around sneezing in crowds, on door handles, and other areas that we may come across. Even coughing. Some people even go around deliberately coughing in order to clear their throat. Imagine that.
So what shall we do with those infected with the flu? Especially those damn people that go around coughing? I have a weak immune system, and I could be prone to getting the flu. I want all those that are coughing to be locked up until dead, just incase they might get the flu again. This world is just not safe from those damn people with the flu. The World just may even come to an end from this 'flu'. Oh what shall we do?
People with AIDS cannot spread the disease nearly as easy as those with the flu. Yet why does your problem not reside with the flu? More people are dying in the US from the flu? Yet you don't seem to have a problem. Why not?
Your logic is absolutely b/s. Deliberately spreading AIDS. People are deliberately coughing. Give me a break. You need to realize that this is a world full of people. Not a world full of disease free people. Problems may not be solved, however locking people up is clearly not the answer.
Education is the key, especially in Africa. Responsibility of one's protection resides on the individual, not on the government confining people for their lives. You cannot deprive someone, who already has enough problems, of their life.
Again, where is your problem with all of the other illnesses? To quarantine an individual is not the answer.
i feel education is the only way, with out restricting human rights which we can't do AIDS victims have as much right to everything as we do.
Wait...AIDS doesn't kill people, its actually the flu itself. Hehe, sorry for being a jerk but had to bring that up. :P
Quarantining is not the answer, unless it is an airborne disease, then to a point i could understand it. I think in Capitalistic America they do a pretty good job of educating people on AIDS, but not well enough...
I'm sure within time we will find a cure, probably more likely once we get the capitalists out of power....Actually im sure much more diseases and illnesses will be cured...but thats all conspiracy theory.
"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need."
- Acts 2:44-45
Heh, Jesus was the first communist.
Not neccessarily. I agree that dying from AIDS relations is a result of a deplinished immune system. However not all AIDS victims would die from the flu. Theoretically an AIDS victim could die from any illness, whether the cold, flu, mono, strep throat, etc. It would not be merely the flu that kills victims with AIDS.
I realize you are not trying to argue the fact, so I am just pointing this out. Those that keep statistics obviously know that AIDS victims do not always die from AIDS itself, yet complications. Therefore the stats' are most likely accurate in that they do not mix up those that die from the flu that have AIDS, with those merely dying from the flu. Again, you are not challenging this, I am just pointing out.
MM: What nothing to say?
Well, if the flu is what really kills AIDS victims, then a quarentine would keep them save from the bacteria that ravage their bodies because of their damaged immune system. I'm not saying that quarentines are nice, I'm just saying that they save lifes. If putting a person in quarentine can save a life, then I think that it is worth doing. If we had done this 20 years ago, then there wouldn't be an HIV epidemic, (except in Africa, where quarentines just are not feasible.)
I do listen to a lot of hip-hop myself, but as I said on Che-Lives I would get rid of all my CDs if Kim Jong Il told me. - Chairman Mao
i bet ur all like 40 and boring and not happy! - glamgirl610
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?... - @[email protected]@
Artificial gamma ray bursters can sterilise entire parsecs. Now THAT's a deterrent! - NoXion
I was only trying to defend the south pole - DarkAngel
Didnt you hear the about the devestation GM food had on farmers in India? They basically committed mass suicide due to the GM seeds they used. - Senora Che
Cuba is also really shit...so is Leninism and MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr! - The Anarchist Tension
And the Greeks were tan and brown not white. They could not have just made up their gods like that poped into their mind. -Comrade Zeke
Finally I got my hands on a copy of the communist manifesto. Like ......Aren't there any revised editions? - revolutionindia
Quite sorry, i thought the flu was the only other thing being discussed with AIDs, so that is why i failed to list any other sicknesses that kill people with AIDs
Hell a common cold could mess you up.
The real culprit that we can't forget is AIDs though.
"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need."
- Acts 2:44-45
Heh, Jesus was the first communist.
