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    Seattle police fatally shoot black mother of four who they say confronted officers with a knife


    By Katie Mettler and Mark Berman June 19 at 12:30 PM

    Seattle police officers shot and killed a 30-year-old mother of four at her apartment Sunday morning in front of “several children” when the woman “confronted” them with a knife, according to a statement from authorities.

    The Seattle Times reported that the woman had called police to report a possible burglary.

    At a vigil Sunday night, family identified the woman as Charleena Lyles, according to the Times, and relatives said she had a history of mental health struggles. She was three months pregnant with her fifth child, her family said, and too “tiny” for officers to have felt threatened by her — even if she had a knife.

    “Why couldn’t they have Tased her?” Lyles’s sister, Monika Williams, said to the Seattle Times. “They could have taken her down. I could
    have taken her down.”

    On Sunday morning just before 10 a.m., two patrol officers were dispatched to investigate a reported burglary at Brettler Family Place, an apartment complex for people transitioning out of homelessness, according to Detective Mark Jamieson.

    Usually, only one officer would respond to a standard burglary call like this one, Jamieson told reporters. But police were familiar with Lyles and her apartment, he said, and her call flagged “hazard information” affiliated with her apartment that “presented an increased risk to officers,” the detective said.

    Officers walked to the fourth floor and “at some point, the 30-year-old female was armed with a knife,” Jamieson told reporters. Both
    officers, who have not been identified, fired their weapons. They performed CPR, according to authorities, but Lyles was later declared
    dead by fire department officials at the scene.

    The children inside at the time were unharmed. Police were trying to determine Sunday if the children had witnessed the shooting.

    The department’s Force Investigative Team is investigating the officers’ decision to use deadly force. Both officers will be placed on
    administrative leave during the investigation, authorities said.

    Authorities offered few immediate details about what led police to fire their weapons. Early Monday morning, the police department
    released an audio recording capturing what they described as “some of the interaction with the caller prior to the rapid development of the use of force incident.”

    On the recording, which officials said was captured by dashboard video cameras in the patrol cars, officers can be heard discussing a
    woman who had previously made “all these weird statements.” Neither officer is identified, and police say all names have been removed
    from the recording.

    The recording captured officers speaking to a woman about an Xbox that she said was taken. Seconds after that interaction, however, the
    encounter suddenly escalates and the officers can be heard shouting at the woman to back away.

    “Hey, get back! Get back!” an officer shouts, a call echoed by the other officer, before a volley of gunshots are heard.
    In a short statement accompanying the recording, police said that both police officers involved “were equipped with less lethal force
    options, per departmental policy.”

    Family members told the Seattle Times that they believe Lyles’s race — she is black — was a factor in her death. Seattle police told the
    newspaper that the officers who shot her are white.

    Sean O’Donnell, captain of the department’s north precinct, where the shooting took place, said one of the officers is an 11-year veteran of the force and the other is “newer to the department,” reported the Times.

    King County jail records show that Lyles was arrested on June 5 on charges of harassment, obstruction of a public official and harassment of a law enforcement officer. She was released conditionally on June 14. Williams told the Seattle Times that one condition was that she receive mental health counseling, though the newspaper could not independently verify that information Sunday.

    Williams told TV station KOMO News that her sister’s arrest earlier this month was connected to another incident at the apartment. Lyles
    was charged with obstruction because she refused to hand over one of the children to officers until Williams arrived at the scene. She had scissors in her hand, Williams said.

    “She didn’t charge nobody or nothing,” Williams told KOMO News.

    She said Lyles had “mental health issues” that were going untreated.

    Around a hundred people gathered Sunday for a vigil honoring Lyles. The mourners taped a photos of the woman and her children to the
    back of black plastic chairs and spelled her name out on the sidewalk with small votive candles. Friends and family wondered aloud how
    police could shoot and kill a mother in front of her children.

    Lhora Murray, 42, lives in the apartment directly below Lyles and told the Stranger she often heard yelling from the woman’s unit and
    called security multiple times. When she heard gunshots Sunday morning, Murray said she called people — unaware it was officers who
    had fired their weapons.

    Murray told the Stranger that after the shooting, police handed her two of Lyles’s children, a 10-year-old and a toddler. “They shot my
    mom,” Murray said the 10-year-old told her as she took the kids outside.

    The deadly shooting in Seattle came just two days after a jury in Minnesota acquitted an officer who was charged with fatally shooting
    Philando Castile, a local school employee, during a traffic stop last year. That acquittal sparked intense protests late Friday and early Saturday around St. Paul, where police estimate thousands of people were demonstrating, including a group that blocked the freeway.

    The shooting in Seattle was “a tragedy for all involved,” Mayor Ed Murray said in a statement. He promised a full and thorough
    investigation, citing “historic police reforms” that are “in place to address such crises.”

    The Seattle Police Department has been operating under a consent decree since 2012, following the conclusion of a federal investigation
    the previous year.

    The Justice Department’s investigation concluded that the Seattle Police Department, one of the 40 largest local police forces nationwide, engaged in an unconstitutional pattern or practice of excessive force. While the 2011 investigation did not find that Seattle police officers have a pattern or practice of discriminatory policing, federal officials said their investigation raised “serious concerns on this issue,” concluding that some of the department’s “policies and practices, particularly those related to pedestrian encounters, could result in unlawful policing.”

    After the investigation, the city of Seattle and the Justice Department negotiated a consent decree, which the federal government has used for nearly a quarter of a century to bring about court-enforceable reforms overseen by an independent monitor. These agreements were a key legacy of the Obama administration, but they are far less popular with the Trump administration. Earlier this year, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who has criticized such decrees, ordered Justice Department officials to review all reform agreements nationwide.

    In April, less than a week after Sessions ordered a sweeping review of consent decrees, the Seattle police monitor filed a report saying that use of force by officers had gone down. Notably, the monitor concluded that officers and people in Seattle were not imperiled by this shift.

    “Overall, use of force has gone down even as officer injuries have not gone up and crime, by most measures, has not increased,” the
    monitor wrote. “At the same time, the force that SPD officers do use is, by and large, reasonable, necessary, proportional, and consistent with the Department’s use of force policy.”

    The report studied more than 2,380 incidents involving a use of force over a period of 28 months, the monitor wrote. During that time,
    more than half of the incidents involved someone determined by police to be “exhibiting some sign of impairment,” described as a mental
    health or behavioral crisis or potential intoxication. During that 28-month period, the monitor said there were 15 shootings by police
    officers; in six of those cases, the person facing police “appeared to be experiencing a behavioral crisis.”

    This story has been updated since it was first published.

    Further reading:
    The Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootings in 2017
    Some gun owners are disturbed by the Philando Castile verdict. The NRA is silent.
    Fatal shootings by police remain relatively unchanged after two years
    Katie Mettler is a reporter for The Washington Post's Morning Mix team. She previously worked for the Tampa Bay
    Times.  Follow @kemettler
    Mark Berman covers national news for The Washington Post and anchors Post Nation, a destination for breaking
    news and stories from around the country.  Follow @markberman
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    I'm so tired of this shit. Now in Seattle. Fucking Seattle? Wake the fuck up, people. Police are trained to be killing machines. That's the problem. People talk about hiring more minority officers, doing better background checks for officers, making sure officers don't harbor racist views, making sure officers are wearing body cams, etc. I don't know what people think we can accomplish until we look at the heart of the problem. Fact: police officers are trained, in academy, to be ruthless killing machines. It's that simple - they are taught to shoot first and ask questions later. Poor people are constantly gunned down by cops, and black people disproportionately so. And you know what? It won't stop. Not until they are trained to do otherwise...which won't happen because the people in power want to remain in power and it's that fucking simple. I'm not trying to absolve the individual officers. But acting like these issues are the result of a few rogue racist officers only perpetuates a systematic problem.

    It's not going to change. If anything it's going to get worse. These officers are now on leave, a paid vacation, yay! And for doing exactly what they were trained to do.
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    Hi, you know what I've heard in a progressive alternative news some months ago? That many white european northic families encourage their sons to join the police departments of their cities and states. So that they would be able to murder blacks, latinos, asians and the other non-white races that live in the US. Because they are aware that police have a blank check, a license to murder anybody who they wish to murder without being thrown in jail and without facing death penalty, which is the penalty for murdering humans in many cities of the USA.

    There is a lot of evil in America. Many people think that in order to exist evil in US, there has to be an actual violent situation like Iraq, Mexico etc. That suffer from an internal war and conflicts. But even though there is a lot more peace in USA than in Syria, Iraq, Pakista etc. But how ever there is a lot more evil, more hatred toward life than in many of those countries that suffer from high levels of crime as a result of the low buying power of the income of the majority. If there is a lot of crime in many other countries, those crimes are caused by hunger and economic pain. But in the US there are crimes not related to hunger and extreme poverty at all, but related toward a Viking, barbarian worldview in many of the european white races. Just looik at history and see how evil the european whites have been in the Medieval Europe


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    Seattle police fatally shoot black mother of four who they say confronted officers with a knife


    By Katie Mettler and Mark Berman June 19 at 12:30 PM

    Seattle police officers shot and killed a 30-year-old mother of four at her apartment Sunday morning in front of “several children” when the woman “confronted” them with a knife, according to a statement from authorities.

    The Seattle Times reported that the woman had called police to report a possible burglary.

    At a vigil Sunday night, family identified the woman as Charleena Lyles, according to the Times, and relatives said she had a history of mental health struggles. She was three months pregnant with her fifth child, her family said, and too “tiny” for officers to have felt threatened by her — even if she had a knife.

    “Why couldn’t they have Tased her?” Lyles’s sister, Monika Williams, said to the Seattle Times. “They could have taken her down. I could
    have taken her down.”

    On Sunday morning just before 10 a.m., two patrol officers were dispatched to investigate a reported burglary at Brettler Family Place, an apartment complex for people transitioning out of homelessness, according to Detective Mark Jamieson.

    Usually, only one officer would respond to a standard burglary call like this one, Jamieson told reporters. But police were familiar with Lyles and her apartment, he said, and her call flagged “hazard information” affiliated with her apartment that “presented an increased risk to officers,” the detective said.

    Officers walked to the fourth floor and “at some point, the 30-year-old female was armed with a knife,” Jamieson told reporters. Both
    officers, who have not been identified, fired their weapons. They performed CPR, according to authorities, but Lyles was later declared
    dead by fire department officials at the scene.

    The children inside at the time were unharmed. Police were trying to determine Sunday if the children had witnessed the shooting.

    The department’s Force Investigative Team is investigating the officers’ decision to use deadly force. Both officers will be placed on
    administrative leave during the investigation, authorities said.

    Authorities offered few immediate details about what led police to fire their weapons. Early Monday morning, the police department
    released an audio recording capturing what they described as “some of the interaction with the caller prior to the rapid development of the use of force incident.”

    On the recording, which officials said was captured by dashboard video cameras in the patrol cars, officers can be heard discussing a
    woman who had previously made “all these weird statements.” Neither officer is identified, and police say all names have been removed
    from the recording.

    The recording captured officers speaking to a woman about an Xbox that she said was taken. Seconds after that interaction, however, the
    encounter suddenly escalates and the officers can be heard shouting at the woman to back away.

    “Hey, get back! Get back!” an officer shouts, a call echoed by the other officer, before a volley of gunshots are heard.
    In a short statement accompanying the recording, police said that both police officers involved “were equipped with less lethal force
    options, per departmental policy.”

    Family members told the Seattle Times that they believe Lyles’s race — she is black — was a factor in her death. Seattle police told the
    newspaper that the officers who shot her are white.

    Sean O’Donnell, captain of the department’s north precinct, where the shooting took place, said one of the officers is an 11-year veteran of the force and the other is “newer to the department,” reported the Times.

    King County jail records show that Lyles was arrested on June 5 on charges of harassment, obstruction of a public official and harassment of a law enforcement officer. She was released conditionally on June 14. Williams told the Seattle Times that one condition was that she receive mental health counseling, though the newspaper could not independently verify that information Sunday.

    Williams told TV station KOMO News that her sister’s arrest earlier this month was connected to another incident at the apartment. Lyles
    was charged with obstruction because she refused to hand over one of the children to officers until Williams arrived at the scene. She had scissors in her hand, Williams said.

    “She didn’t charge nobody or nothing,” Williams told KOMO News.

    She said Lyles had “mental health issues” that were going untreated.

    Around a hundred people gathered Sunday for a vigil honoring Lyles. The mourners taped a photos of the woman and her children to the
    back of black plastic chairs and spelled her name out on the sidewalk with small votive candles. Friends and family wondered aloud how
    police could shoot and kill a mother in front of her children.

    Lhora Murray, 42, lives in the apartment directly below Lyles and told the Stranger she often heard yelling from the woman’s unit and
    called security multiple times. When she heard gunshots Sunday morning, Murray said she called people — unaware it was officers who
    had fired their weapons.

    Murray told the Stranger that after the shooting, police handed her two of Lyles’s children, a 10-year-old and a toddler. “They shot my
    mom,” Murray said the 10-year-old told her as she took the kids outside.

    The deadly shooting in Seattle came just two days after a jury in Minnesota acquitted an officer who was charged with fatally shooting
    Philando Castile, a local school employee, during a traffic stop last year. That acquittal sparked intense protests late Friday and early Saturday around St. Paul, where police estimate thousands of people were demonstrating, including a group that blocked the freeway.

    The shooting in Seattle was “a tragedy for all involved,” Mayor Ed Murray said in a statement. He promised a full and thorough
    investigation, citing “historic police reforms” that are “in place to address such crises.”

    The Seattle Police Department has been operating under a consent decree since 2012, following the conclusion of a federal investigation
    the previous year.

    The Justice Department’s investigation concluded that the Seattle Police Department, one of the 40 largest local police forces nationwide, engaged in an unconstitutional pattern or practice of excessive force. While the 2011 investigation did not find that Seattle police officers have a pattern or practice of discriminatory policing, federal officials said their investigation raised “serious concerns on this issue,” concluding that some of the department’s “policies and practices, particularly those related to pedestrian encounters, could result in unlawful policing.”

    After the investigation, the city of Seattle and the Justice Department negotiated a consent decree, which the federal government has used for nearly a quarter of a century to bring about court-enforceable reforms overseen by an independent monitor. These agreements were a key legacy of the Obama administration, but they are far less popular with the Trump administration. Earlier this year, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who has criticized such decrees, ordered Justice Department officials to review all reform agreements nationwide.

    In April, less than a week after Sessions ordered a sweeping review of consent decrees, the Seattle police monitor filed a report saying that use of force by officers had gone down. Notably, the monitor concluded that officers and people in Seattle were not imperiled by this shift.

    “Overall, use of force has gone down even as officer injuries have not gone up and crime, by most measures, has not increased,” the
    monitor wrote. “At the same time, the force that SPD officers do use is, by and large, reasonable, necessary, proportional, and consistent with the Department’s use of force policy.”

    The report studied more than 2,380 incidents involving a use of force over a period of 28 months, the monitor wrote. During that time,
    more than half of the incidents involved someone determined by police to be “exhibiting some sign of impairment,” described as a mental
    health or behavioral crisis or potential intoxication. During that 28-month period, the monitor said there were 15 shootings by police
    officers; in six of those cases, the person facing police “appeared to be experiencing a behavioral crisis.”

    This story has been updated since it was first published.

    Further reading:
    The Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootings in 2017
    Some gun owners are disturbed by the Philando Castile verdict. The NRA is silent.
    Fatal shootings by police remain relatively unchanged after two years
    Katie Mettler is a reporter for The Washington Post's Morning Mix team. She previously worked for the Tampa Bay
    Times.  Follow @kemettler
    Mark Berman covers national news for The Washington Post and anchors Post Nation, a destination for breaking
    news and stories from around the country.  Follow @markberman
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    And the worst of all this, is not Donald Trump, it not the police, it is not the Ku Kus Klan, but regular white european people that do not murder people, are not violent terrorists, but they are closet-racists, closet-nazis. Since there are a lot more laws today against racist-hatred, today the european american whites are more careful in how they treat other non-white races. But many european whites who are not into killing and hating non-whites. But they are still racists, closet-racists, closet-nazis. And even thinking about hating blacks, and non-whites is evil


    I'm so tired of this shit. Now in Seattle. Fucking Seattle? Wake the fuck up, people. Police are trained to be killing machines. That's the problem. People talk about hiring more minority officers, doing better background checks for officers, making sure officers don't harbor racist views, making sure officers are wearing body cams, etc. I don't know what people think we can accomplish until we look at the heart of the problem. Fact: police officers are trained, in academy, to be ruthless killing machines. It's that simple - they are taught to shoot first and ask questions later. Poor people are constantly gunned down by cops, and black people disproportionately so. And you know what? It won't stop. Not until they are trained to do otherwise...which won't happen because the people in power want to remain in power and it's that fucking simple. I'm not trying to absolve the individual officers. But acting like these issues are the result of a few rogue racist officers only perpetuates a systematic problem.

    It's not going to change. If anything it's going to get worse. These officers are now on leave, a paid vacation, yay! And for doing exactly what they were trained to do.
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    And the worst of all this, is not Donald Trump, it not the police, it is not the Ku Kus Klan, but regular white european people that do not murder people, are not violent terrorists, but they are closet-racists, closet-nazis. Since there are a lot more laws today against racist-hatred, today the european american whites are more careful in how they treat other non-white races. But many european whites who are not into killing and hating non-whites. But they are still racists, closet-racists, closet-nazis. And even thinking about hating blacks, and non-whites is evil


    I'm so tired of this shit. Now in Seattle. Fucking Seattle? Wake the fuck up, people. Police are trained to be killing machines. That's the problem. People talk about hiring more minority officers, doing better background checks for officers, making sure officers don't harbor racist views, making sure officers are wearing body cams, etc. I don't know what people think we can accomplish until we look at the heart of the problem. Fact: police officers are trained, in academy, to be ruthless killing machines. It's that simple - they are taught to shoot first and ask questions later. Poor people are constantly gunned down by cops, and black people disproportionately so. And you know what? It won't stop. Not until they are trained to do otherwise...which won't happen because the people in power want to remain in power and it's that fucking simple. I'm not trying to absolve the individual officers. But acting like these issues are the result of a few rogue racist officers only perpetuates a systematic problem.

    It's not going to change. If anything it's going to get worse. These officers are now on leave, a paid vacation, yay! And for doing exactly what they were trained to do.
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    Yeah you are right. And how naive and utopian people are in judging things. Many people think that if a politician is black, latino and from another non-white race, that person, that politician will be a mountain of goodness.

    Even though this sounds like a conspiracy theory. But I think that one of the objectives of national police departments and the whole machine of police an armed forces, in being so anti-democratic, so immoral against people. Is to prevent poor people from becoming communists.

    Another thing is that life in USA is so bad, so painful and much more exhausting and hyper-busy than many other poor nations. That the masses because of the excess of driving, cooking, laundry, working and being busy all day, that they don't have any emotional, physical, mental and inspirational power to get into any leftist movement, not even in reading social-democrats news sources (Commondreams, alternet etc) and socialist news sources (workers.org, socialistworker, wsws etc), and not even libertarian alternative news sources (whatreallyhappened, infowars etc)

    So that's why we radical leftists who are far to the left, ultra-left, will have to deal with the tyranny of the majority. The tyranny of the majority, the dictatorship of the majority in electoral politics, is that the great majority of people with legal documents to vote for political parties always vote in the presidential elections, every 4 years for the Democratic and Republican Party. That majority-tyranny exercises a dictatorship against a minority who supports social-democrats and socialist options and third party options (Green Party etc.)

    That's why we will have to face this ugly painful voting-tyranny of the majority and will have to swallow like a bad medicine for the November 8, 2020 elections between having to choose between Michelle Obama or Michael Rubio for presidents (2020-2024)

    While the elitist theorical academic anti-violent left like (Chris Hedges, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now of Free Speech TV, Naomi Klein, Michael Parenti writing great articles, great books and great speeches, but reluctant to join a proletarian marxist political party

    I'm so tired of this shit. Now in Seattle. Fucking Seattle? Wake the fuck up, people. Police are trained to be killing machines. That's the problem. People talk about hiring more minority officers, doing better background checks for officers, making sure officers don't harbor racist views, making sure officers are wearing body cams, etc. I don't know what people think we can accomplish until we look at the heart of the problem. Fact: police officers are trained, in academy, to be ruthless killing machines. It's that simple - they are taught to shoot first and ask questions later. Poor people are constantly gunned down by cops, and black people disproportionately so. And you know what? It won't stop. Not until they are trained to do otherwise...which won't happen because the people in power want to remain in power and it's that fucking simple. I'm not trying to absolve the individual officers. But acting like these issues are the result of a few rogue racist officers only perpetuates a systematic problem.

    It's not going to change. If anything it's going to get worse. These officers are now on leave, a paid vacation, yay! And for doing exactly what they were trained to do.
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    Dear Chris,

    Our hearts go out to the families of Philando Castile and Charleena Lyles. Last Friday, the Minneapolis police officer who killed Philando Castile was acquitted on all charges. Yesterday morning, Charleena Lyles, a Black pregnant mother of four was shot and killed by two polices officers in front of her children in their Seattle home.

    Too many Black women and families are being failed by a criminal justice system and democracy that does not support our families or value our lives.

    Join people around the country to demand that the police officer that murdered Philando Castile doesn't receive any kind of severance pay.

    Acquittals of police officers who kill Black people are all too common. We are outraged, and we are grieving as yet another opportunity for courage and integrity was missed in this jury’s decision. Diamond Reynolds, Philando’s girlfriend, her 4 year old daughter who witnessed the shooting, and Philando’s mother, Valerie Castile, are now left to bear the burden of our criminal justice system's failure to deliver justice for Black families.

    Castile and Reynolds now join hundreds of mothers, partners, and siblings who will forever share the experience of having a loved one killed by the people who are sworn to protect them. Black women should not have to carry this burden on their shoulders.

    There is no justice in this jury’s decision to fail to hold police officers accountable. We cannot continue to have one set of rules for police officers and one set of rules for everyone else.

    That’s why we urge you to sign this petition by Color of Change to keep Officer Yanez from being rewarded for his cowardly and devastating act. We must send a clear message to the officers who don’t follow the rules.

    And we must ensure justice for Charleena Lyles and her family. We will continue to fight for a world where Black lives matter.

    Ai-jen, on behalf of all of us at NDWA

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