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URGENT APPEAL: Stop Poroshenko! Save the people of Donbass!
URGENT APPEAL: Stop Poroshenko! Save the people of Donbass!
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URGENT APPEAL: Stop Poroshenko! Save the people of Donbass!
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Tens of thousands of people in Donetsk and Lugansk, the former areas of eastern Ukraine that declared independence after a U.S.-backed coup in 2014, have signed a petition to the leaders of the United States, Germany and the Russian Federation, demanding they put a stop to Ukraine’s recent escalation of war in the region. Now the petition campaign is going international.
A report released by Donetsk officials on Feb. 14 notes that 96 people have been wounded since Jan. 1, 2017 – half of them civilians, including six children. Since Feb. 3, 45 people have been killed by Ukrainian bombs. Since late January, Ukrainian forces have shelled homes, schools, hospitals, mines and vital infrastructure at a rate not seen in two years – leaving people in villages and cities without water, heat or electricity in the dead of winter. Nearly 10,000 people have died since the war began three years ago, according to the UN.
The International Action Center urges you to add your voice to the international campaign. The Ukrainian government and neo-fascist armed groups at war with Donetsk and Lugansk have received massive funding and military training from Washington. It’s especially important for opponents of war, fascism and racism in the United States to show solidarity at this time, when the Donald Trump regime is threatening new wars around the globe and rapidly backing away from campaign promises to de-escalate conflict with Russia.
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Declaration of the Presidents of the People's Councils of LNR and DNR Vladimir Degtyarenko and Denis Pushilin
http://iacenter.org/4036/urgent-appe...le-of-donbass/
The Ukrainian authorities continue the genocide of the population of Donbass.
Attacks and bombings continue on the line of contact, having damaged a number of social, industrial and residential buildings. At the end of 2016, as a result of sabotage by the Kiev army, 80% of the LPR was left without electricity. It is located under the continuing threat of sabotage of the hydraulic system and gas for heating.
Several times there have been attempts by the Ukrainians to stop the flow of water from the Petrovsky filtration plant ("Carbon" industrial site) in the territory of the LPR.
Because of that, some 400,000 people have been affected by a shortage of drinking water in the cities of Lugansk, Alchevsk, Stakhanov, Bryanka, Pervomaisk and a number of other settlements.
The districts of the DPR had to connect to the power supply of the city of Yasinovataya and many surrounding settlements are still without water.
Part of Makeyevka is still dry. The water pumping structure on the Kalmius River was subjected to artillery fire. Pervomaysk is disconnected from the gas supply network. The failure of these structures endangers more than 500,000 residents.
The Ukrainian army has deliberately chosen to target civilian industrial facilities whose destruction could cause an ecological disaster in the region.
The Donetsk filtering system, where hazardous chemicals are stored, is under constant artillery fire. More than 500,000 people live in the districts adjacent to the Ukrainian border.
The situation is similar, because of potentially dangerous substances in the installation of "phenol" Dzerzhinsk, near the village of Novgorod and the "Styrene" plant near the city of Gorlovka.
In addition, Ukraine has done nothing to restore the banking system, so there is no possibility for the transfer of money. Citizens of the Republics do not receive their pensions and social benefits. This restriction affects mainly pensioners and the most socially vulnerable groups -- about 30% of the population.
We ask you to intervene with the President of Ukraine, Poroshenko, to stop the criminal activities against the people of Donbass.
Stop firing on civilians!
Stop the economic blockade!
This must be done before it's too late!
We still have time to stop the environmental and humanitarian disaster!
Stop Poroshenko! Save the people of Donbass!
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U.S. condemns ‘Russian aggression’ as Ukraine escalates war against Donbass
http://iacenter.org/4051/u-s-condemn...ainst-donbass/
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Stop spreading Russian imperialist propaganda bullsh*t here.
It's not bullshit or propaganda.
This is about national self-determination, against fascist Ukraine.
No. It is the Ukrainians who want their national self-determinaton against fascist Russia. Russia uses the Russians who live in Ukraine to make a claim on their territories.
I have to agree with Gavrilo here for a bit. Don't get me wrong, Poroshenko is a nationalist oligarch, and it would be the duty of Ukrainian people to get rid of him, but to propagate creeping Russian imperialism and irredentism as national self-determination is also wrong. The people of Donbass are need to be saved from the crazy nationalist rage of Poroshenko, but they also need to be saved from the paternalist embrace of Putin and Russia. But since this is a position no one supports currently, I guess the people of Donbass will live hell for the next few decades, thanks to the Ukrainian quasi-fascist government, and the so-called "principled" but in reality, quite unprincipled "anti-imperialism" of Western European leftists who don't know shit about what people have to deal with not just in Ukraine and Russia, but in Eastern Europe in general. My country is affected by Russian imperialism and Russian comprador capitalism and I will not hesitate to take any opportunity to express this. It is easy to preach pro-Russian "anti-imperialism" from far away, but we are within Russia's direct reach, and I don't want to live the day when partially because the left's support, Putin's racist, fascist system will flourish in Eastern Europe. Please think of us, and don't support a nationalist dictator.
EDIT: I know I went a bit off topic, sorry. I know this thread is not really about this, and I want it to be clear that I despise the current Ukrainian government, what it does and how it does it. But this thread has other implications too, and I just wanted to be clear about some things realting to Ukraine, Donbass, and Russia. If we are doing "anti-imperialism", let us do it in a way that it is indeed principled and not just called principled but in reality it isn't.
No, this shows you in real-world terms the kinds of political contortions one has to do if one begins with the premise of a purported 'fascist Russia'.
In fact the Ukrainian uprising of 2013-2014 was *reactionary* and led to quick U.S. imperialist involvement and neocolonialism:
Major kudos to ckaihatsu for not being a knee-jerk Russophobe.
One does not have to support Putin to be against a blatantly fascist régime in Ukraine. One does not have to dream of a global Russian empire to oppose Ukrainian forces shelling homes in Donetsk, as U.S. diplomats quietly discuss who they favour installing as Ukraine's new President. If you fail to condemn that sort of régime above all else just because "Russians are bad, mmmkay?", then you are complicit.
It was promissed that both the Russian and Ukrainian nationalities should receive equal protection.
The Ukranian Government executed its promises in a most evasive way. Southern and Eastern half of Ukraine is exclusively Russian; in the northern half, all the towns are Russian, while the country people speak a corrupted Russian dialect, and the written language, from time immemorial, has almost everywhere been Russian. By the consent of the population, a process of Russification has been going on there for centuries; so much so that, with the exception of the most northerly border districts, even that portion of the peasantry who speak a
little Russian dialect (which is, however, so far distant from the written Ukranian as to be easily intelligible to the Russian inhabitants of the South - East), understand the written Russian better than the written Ukranian language.... the written Ukranian language was forced upon a population the great majority of whom did not even understand it, and only desired to be governed, tried, educated, christened, and married in the Russian language. However, the Government now opened a regular crusade for the weeding out of all traces of Russian from the district, forbidding even private tuition in families in any other than the Ukranian language....
The question was whether the residents of Donbass were to be forced to follow the fate of small, impotent, half-civilised Ukranie, and to be the slaves of West for ever, or whether they should be allowed to re-unite themselves to a nation of 140 millions, which was then just engaged in the struggle for its freedom, unity, and consequent recovery of its strength.
We are naturally the last to reproach Putin for this. On the contrary, what we reproach him with is that he was not revolutionary enough,... that he began a whole revolution in a position where he was able to carry through only half a revolution, that, once having set out on the course of annexations, he was content with Crimea.
Any anti-communist is a dog. - Jean-Paul Sartre.
Pretending that the Russian nationalist Putin is revolutionary in any way is laughable. As communists we should support the self-determination of all peoples and if that means the people of the Donbass and the people of the Crimea feel their future is best served in the sphere of Russian power then so be it but it is beyond clear that Putin is nothing more than a national chauvinist competing with the bourgeoisie of other capitalist nations.
Modern democracy is nothing but the freedom to preach whatever is to the advantage of the bourgeoisie - Lenin
The thing about the Donbass is that it's been mostly silently flushed by Putin and his administration once the war was no longer a hot topic in the Russian media. They've recently received legal status, which is a step in the positive direction, but this comes after years of neglect, years where they let just about every one of the original leaders of the Donbass get assassinated or arrested by the fascist government in Kiev. The problem with Putin was that he was not aggressive enough in securing the Donbass, instead choosing to compromise with Russian oligarchs to "freeze" the conflict due to the potential economic drain that a war-torn region of the Donbass might have on Russia.
Those expressing the view that somehow Putin is worse than the literal fascist Banderites sitting in Kiev need an education.
For the people of the Donbass, this is a matter of basic survival.
Ukranians are naive people misled by neo liberal propaganda and oligarchs making money from it; those in donbass are terrorists supported by russia and its criminal oligarchs; the cause of the war - territory and natural resources under it. Neither of the two groups has even remote relation to socialism.
Neither Nazi Germany nor the British Empire were angels, but there's a fucking line there somewhere. Every so-called liberal or democratic movement in Ukraine has been a trojan horse attempt to advance banderism and rehabilitate Ukraine's fascist history. It was true a decade ago under Yushchenko, and it's true now under the Chocolate King Poroshenko. Replace "Bandera" with "Hitler" and "UPA/OUN" with "SS," and you can see how ridiculous your game of moral equivalency is.
Educate yourself:
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2010/02/24/a-fascist-hero-in-democratic-kiev/
http://www.volhyniamassacre.eu/zw2/articles/228,Ewa-Siemaszko-About-the-Film-Wolyn.print
http://defendinghistory.com/visit-uk...e-detail/70186
Last edited by khad; 21st February 2017 at 03:16.
The op thought that if someone is critical of capitalism in the US he would be supportive of the criminal feudal monarch Putin and his team of terrorists. It's not like that. Left oppose capitalism in all its forms. So you better post your scam on some other forum.
Last edited by MikeN; 21st February 2017 at 15:29.
What would be *missing*, though, with this attitude / stance, is any kind of *analysis* of the real-world situation -- should we sit on our hands while a NATO-backed Ukraine is directed by fascists -- ?
This, as with ISIS, is the realm of geopolitics where there aren't any *good* answers (like choosing the demise of capitalism), but nonetheless there have to be answers / positions of *some* sort or else we're not even being political.
Please stop with nato nonsense, nobody in their right mind would ever start a nuclear confrontation with russia. Ukraine is a nation of poor naive people who after having been through decades long oppression gathered enough courage to break off the fetters of russian reign. But they did not understand what they were doing and as it usually happens instead of bringing change the uprising resulted in replacement of one group of corrupt politicians by another of the same kind. Ukraine got involved into one sided love affair with europe, which doesn't want to even know it. Donbass has always been the only rich region in the country. This war will end the moment terrorists run out of resources, but with ongoing russian support it is unlikely to happen soon. Now terrorists hold control of the natural wealth, ukranian side cannot tolerate it. So above all the skirmishes it's a misery story for ukranian nation.
But what if this position is a correct analysis without any further support in such one fire fights one fire situations? I mean I was getting a bit agitated first when I posted in this thread, I admit that and it is clearly the people of Donbass who suffer here the most. But it's just them: the people of Donbass. And we must ask the question: what is better for them? The nationalist Ukrainian government that treats them using the principle of collective guilt? Of course not, so the logical answer would be the insurgents. But this way, people who just happened to live in Donbass when it all started are either used as mere resources for literal nazi militias or they are hunted down by a government that treats them as enemy... what is a reasonable position to take here? Are we afraid now to excercise proper critique or WHAT?
We have to face that there is NO well thought-out communist analysis of the Donetsk-conflict. And there is none because most communists jumped to the far-right nationalist bandwagon in the name of "anti-imperialism" without one bit of thinking, because they can't think, they never did, they never exercised critique, they just acquired some vague, schematic idea of "anti-imperialism" instead of having a clear image of the capitalist forces that clash there, instead of having and using the proper methods to view the situation, all of this apparently because "we have to take sides, this is geopolitics". Shame on us, we should never, ever be on one platform with nazis under ANY circumstances, there is simply no excuse for it.
(And don't say a troubling majority of the insurgent militias is not far-right or outright fascist. They only not as bad as the Azov Battalion and other Ukrainian counterparts because they lack the power and state support from a stable regime to be as bad as them)
This conflict appeared from a hole in the wall. Could you have come up with an analysis for the similar Chechen conflict (1994-2004)? Could you have imagined it had ended in one day after a corresponding decision in Moscow, the Chechen republic becoming as wealthy as Saudi Arabia, with every citizen there receiving a monthly payment and the russian enemy Kadyrov becoming the biggest fan of Putin of all times?
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Agreed.
Who are the 'terrorists', according to you -- ?
Any comment on this -- ?
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I still maintain that it's not enough to just practice abstentionism and ultra-leftism on geopolitical issues -- *some* analysis should be undertaken so that revolutionaries can at least give an account of history, and possibly take a more-progressive stance versus less-progressive stances.
Just found one here, from a search:
https://socialistfight.com/2015/08/2...ar-in-donbass/
You should explain this further -- are you saying that purported socialists initially backed Ukraine's Euromaidan thinking that it would lead to independence from *all* major geopolitical parties, including the West -- ?
Contrary to what you're saying, having a 'clear image' *implies* geopolitics, which then compels one to take sides.
Agreed.
Defenders of fascists expectedly appeared at Revleft. Banderovists are not fascist but only naive Ukranians,those who fight against their coup are terrorists - that's the routine pro-fascists duckspeak.
Yes,and naive Germans organised Holocost...
Really,ask the question: what is better from the class point of view, an open bourgeois dictatorship with the persecution of communist and leftists or bourgeois republic where communist act legally ?
Well,let's try to make a communist analysis of the situation.I want to return to my previous text:
"It was promissed that both the Russian and Ukrainian nationalities... should receive equal protection...
The Ukranian Government executed its promises in a most evasive way. Southern and Eastern half of Ukraine is exclusively Russian; in the northern half, all the towns are Russian, while the country people speak a corrupted Russian dialect, and the written language, from time immemorial, has almost everywhere been Russian. By the consent of the population, a process of Russification has been going on there for centuries; so much so that, with the exception of the most northerly border districts, even that portion of the peasantry who speak a
little Russian dialect (which is, however, so far distant from the written Ukranian as to be easily intelligible to the Russian inhabitants of the South - East), understand the written Russian better than the written Ukranian language.... the written Ukranian language was forced upon a population the great majority of whom did not even understand it, and only desired to be governed, tried, educated, christened, and married in the Russian language. However, the Government now opened a regular crusade for the weeding out of all traces of Russian from the district, forbidding even private tuition in families in any other than the Ukranian language....
The question was whether the residents of Donbass were to be forced to follow the fate of small, impotent, half-civilised Ukranie, and to be the slaves of West for ever, or whether they should be allowed to re-unite themselves to a nation of 140 millions, which was then just engaged in the struggle for its freedom, unity, and consequent recovery of its strength.
We are naturally the last to reproach Putin for this. On the contrary, what we reproach him with is that he was not revolutionary enough,... that he began a whole revolution in a position where he was able to carry through only half a revolution, that, once having set out on the course of annexations, he was content with Crimea."
Of course,zealots of ideological purity will immediately tabbed the author as Russian chauvinist.But the author the above-cited text is ...Friedrich Engels :
http://marx.libcom.org/works/1861/02/12.htm
https://marxists.anu.edu.au/archive/...1850/07/21.htm
http://www.dhspriory.org/kenny/PhilT...force/ch03.htm
I just have made a few substitutions: German and Danish I have replaced by Russian and Ukrainian, Bismarck by Putin etc.Everyone can check the original sources,the context of quotes is not distorted. Being German, Engels clearly sympathizes his countrymen.
In March 1848 Marx and Engels wrote a document entitled "Demands of the Communist Party in Germany." https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...1848/03/24.htm And the very first paragraph of the document says: "The whole of Germany shall be declared a united, indivisible republic." The the requirement of "united, indivisible Germany" is ahead,not some narrowly labor problem. Why? A retreat from the class position? Not at all. "The united, indivisible" Germany was the most radical revolutionary slogan of the time wich expressed the most important interest of the working class and democratic sections of the bourgeoisie.
"...according to their old policy of cutting up central Europe into a set of small states quarrelling with each other, and thus leaving England to apply to them the principle "Divide and conquer".
The policy of the revolutionary party in all countries has, on the contrary, always been to strongly unite the great nationalities hitherto cut up in small states, and to ensure independence and power, not to those small wrecks of nationalities but to the large and healthy nationalities now oppressed by the ruling European system.""
So the policy of the revolutionary party is unification, let's remember it and mark it well.
It follows then that the return of Crimea to Russia, the reunification of Russian lands should be supported.
A reunion of the scattered peoples, especially of such brotherly peoples as Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians is the objective need of this peoples.The reunion will rise the strength of our nations,increase their relevance and make possible a new leap to socialism.A pivotal question of the possibility of future reunification is the Ukrainian question,because here traditionally are created the greatest impediments.As we remember,Russia didn't conquer Ukraine (Little Russia) like Britain Ireland.Old Russian lands were reunited after several centuries of separate existence.Of certainly,this period created some differencies,nevertheless, their reunion was voluntary.A national movement of Little Russians never existed and they reasonably considerd them a part of the Russian people. Ukrainian bourgeoisie in order to justify the "independence" and separation from Russia rejected the idea of brotherhood of Russians and Ukranian peoples and logically replaced it with the idea of national superiority.This policy of the rabid anti-Russian nationalism designed to separate Ukraine from Russia has led the country to fascism.
The defeat of anti-Russian nationalism wich inevitably leads to fascism and to the split of peoples is one of the tasks of communists in post-Soviet republicks.At the time when imperialism relies on the fragmentation of our people the Communists advocate for the reunification of the nations.Reunion is the most common interest of the workers and of all the democratic elements. Reunion is the most revolutionary, radical and class slogan of our time.
Any anti-communist is a dog. - Jean-Paul Sartre.
Men, women and children of Donbass who took up weapons for "protection" of their lands. The fact that Ukraine is not moving in the right direction is not an excuse for the acts of unspeakable cruelty committed by terrorists and made available on youtube. No normal person would kill another for resources. If they gave in to demands of Ukraine they would not be evicted from houses, nor deprived of income and made to starve; the only thing that would happen is they would no longer be monopolist owners of the resources, so those who have now 10 cars in a family and spend a vacation in Florida would have to be content with only 2 and a vacation in Turkey, those who now drive the latest BMW would have to switch to TOYOTA, that's all. By the way the door to Russia is always open, they could sell their houses in Donbass and buy in Russia if they wished so; Russia could even give them some land and houses for free, and jobs also.
Do not insult the names of the greatest thinkers of humanity.
Not under the rule of the thief and murderer Putin and his team.
