Why does israel have to be ruled by jews?
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Hello Comrades
Hello everybody my name is Mapai. I have been interested in left leaning politics for a long time. I mainly got interested by listening to Communist songs. My political views are extremely simple, I am what you would call a Labor Zionist. For those who understand allow me to explain. I agree with communist and socialist principles (Proletarian leadership, equality among the genders, state funded services etc.) However I also believe that the land of Israel ( and its occupied territories) should be governed by Jews and for Jews with minimal Christian and Muslim influence. While I currently live in America my goal is to make "aliyah" ( lit. ascent, but used to describe immigration to Israel). If you have any questions just ask.
Why does israel have to be ruled by jews?
http://www.revleft.com/vb/threads/17...34#post2876634
Yes it's a real struggle a Palestinian just killed 2 more Jews today, but don't worry we shall overcome
'We' being who, exactly -- ?
http://www.revleft.com/vb/threads/196202-Hello-Comrades
Hello everybody my name is Mapai. I have been interested in left leaning politics for a long time. I mainly got interested by listening to Communist songs. My political views are extremely simple, I am what you would call a Labor Zionist. For those who understand allow me to explain. I agree with communist and socialist principles (Proletarian leadership, equality among the genders, state funded services etc.) However I also believe that the land of Israel ( and its occupied territories) should be governed by Jews and for Jews with minimal Christian and Muslim influence. While I currently live in America my goal is to make "aliyah" ( lit. ascent, but used to describe immigration to Israel). If you have any questions just ask.
Your introduction shows you to have self-contradictory politics, since one cannot subscribe to national-chauvinism, and be a socialist / communist at the same time. (Just consider that there would be no geographically circumscribed 'states' under worldwide communism.)
Proletarian interests transcend this-or-that ethnicity or historical-legacy grouping -- proletarian interests are for the *abolition* of politics-by-geography or politics-by-ethnicity.
And, in *logistical* terms how would the 'correct' 'minimal Christian and Muslim influence' be determined for a place like Israel -- ? This kind of policy issue serves to illustrate the inherent problematic of 'governance' on the basis of arbitrary identity-based groupings, as the U.S. had with Jim Crow laws in the past.
Why should the currently "unsettled" part of Palestine, where Palestinians are a majority, be ruled by Jewish Israelis(more specifically their bourgeoisie)? Where do Palestinians, atheists and agnostics fit in this settler-colonial project? Socialism for the colonizers, apartheid for the colonized?Originally Posted by Mapai
The Palestinians should move to the Palestinian state of Jordan so they do not "fit in" in the state. there are many secular Jews who don't follow religious tenets who would fit in fine, this is not a colonial project,but a reclaiming of land that was originally stolen by European invaders.
The we is the Jewish people.
As for my introduction they are not self-contradictory politics. you say that under worldwide communism there would be circumscribed sates but this is not true. Following in Stalin's principle that each nation should have a region of land for cultural autonomy under socalist principles. This is what I preach and it is not contradictory.
You just like capitalist dictatorships using religion as a pretext and use the veil of socialism to somehow legitimize it.
WTF am i looking at.
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So you're to the right of Likud. You want a homogeneous nation-state via ethnic cleansing, since even Arab Israelis don't belong in your supposedly "socialist" state. And Israel's supposedly not a settler-colony like South Africa because Jews lived there until the Romans expelled them nearly 2000 years ago?
When did I say ethnic cleansing I never said the Palestinians should die only relocate.
Arab Israeli is a misnomer as both are races that person would be an Arab who is living in Israel.
As far as your colony point goes we have historic ties to the land and Jewish communities that existed in Israel well into the 20th century before the "modern" state of Israel.
It seems you are just another racist talking another thing invented by Jews (communism) and twisting it to prevent the Jews from succeeding.
No, I said:
The emphasis is that communism = no states.
A post-capitalist 'cultural autonomy' would not require *states* in the sense of currencies and professional elitist-type governances. If a 'culture' *did* say that it requires its own currency and professional administration then that would be a *political* claim and would conflict with socialism.
There is no veil of socialism, I want Jewish land ruled by Jewish people with socialist principles. Don't be mad that I have a different view on Socialism as you do it wont get anything but anger.
It seems you are just another racist talking another thing invented by Jews (communism) and twisting it to prevent the Jews from succeeding.
So Jews have somehow made communism a *proprietary* thing, and it should first be implemented as the state of Israel, and anyone who disagrees with this premise is somehow a 'racist' -- ?
(Yeesh!)
Your racist claim is such a show of weakness, he didnt say anything anti-semitic but youre just losing the discussion so you try to commit character-murder on him.When did I say ethnic cleansing I never said the Palestinians should die only relocate.
Arab Israeli is a misnomer as both are races that person would be an Arab who is living in Israel.
As far as your colony point goes we have historic ties to the land and Jewish communities that existed in Israel well into the 20th century before the "modern" state of Israel.
It seems you are just another racist talking another thing invented by Jews (communism) and twisting it to prevent the Jews from succeeding.
Also you are the one apparantly focusin on that arabs are a different race so they dont belong, who the fuck gives you the right because you were born to mom A and not mom B. Im white because im born to a white mom so now i have more claim to europe because i was born to some mammal over the other mammal.
Fuck your "jewish,white,brown,indian land" nobody has a claim to any piece of this earth.
That was in response to my question on Palestinians. Your can try to sugarcoat it, but you want the expel non-Jews from Israel/Palestine, aka ethnic cleansing. And many people would die in practice.You know what I mean. Non-Jewish people of Arab ethnicity with Israeli citizenship.The ancient Israelite nation is not the same as the modern state of Israel. It's nationalist mythology to claim continuity. That's irrelevant to the modern settler-colonialist nature of the state of Israel. The majority of Israeli Jews came within the past 70 years and displaced the indigenous population of Palestinians, like the US did to the Native Americans.On the contrary, it is far-right anti-Semites who claim communism was "invented by the Jews". I think your a troll.It seems you are just another racist talking another thing invented by Jews (communism) and twisting it to prevent the Jews from succeeding.
Hope you die in fire, fascist scum.
On what kind of drugs were you on when you even remotely considered the idea that a disgusting racist theocrat who also advocates for ethnic cleansing such as yourself would be welcome on a (revolutionary!) leftist discussion board?
too bad you revived this thread, it should have been locked and the guy banned to OI. Other then that i fully agree with you, this guy is a piece of shit.
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