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    Default The Biggest Threat to the Working Class is Pacifism

    Do you agree or disagree?

    I have often argued with people who say it is senseless to wage war, they say things like, you're no better than they are.

    To that I argue: What could be make more sense than to wage war on those who hurt you? What could make more sense than to wage war on those who steal and grow fat while everyone starves, for no other reason than simple greed? What could make more sense than standing up for the rights of people against oppression?

    Pacifism is a tool used by the bourgeoise to make you submissive. What do you think Christianity is? Yes, a religion. And why does it preach pacifism? To keep you submissive.

    The problems of the day cannot be naively solved by believing in the good will of those who are rich or in a good position, when everything they do demonstrates the opposite.
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    Not as simple as that. Christianity does not preach pacifism per se. Neither does capitalist society. Nearly all ideologies, all ethical systems, especially those that were born the modern era, generally denounce war (well, not fascism, but fascism is unique in this way), but all make their exceptions, all have some kind of conception of ius ad bellum. Like, war in defense of faith, in defense of sovereignty, independence, etc. So of course socialism has its own version on the concept of a just war, or justified use of violence, like you just demonstrated. But there are some things you maybe should consider. First of all, opposing the use of violence doesn't mean belief in "the good will of those who are rich or in a good position". It means a belief in the strength of the oppressed, who can reach their goals without bloodshed. Also, there is, and should be a difference between violence towards institutions and violence towards individual people. Actually, a lot of revolutions were violent, in the sense that the revolutionary forces seized power without the "approval" of the previous ruling elite, yet these revolutions were mostly without barricades and without bloodshed. The revolutions of 1918-1919 in Hungary, for example. The first was a liberal democratic-bourgeois one, the second was a communist revolution and both came to power without widespread violence. Of course, in certain situations it may seem like violence is the only way. But we should never celebrate this kind of violence, never bathe in it, and we should view it as an ugly necessity, not something to be glorified. It should not be viewed as a kind of enjoyment, it should be viewed as a tragic duty in order to establish a better society.
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    Comrade Ale,

    That's an excellent explanation. The question should not be "is the use of violence ever legitimate." The question should be who legitimates the use of violence and for what purpose. Every modern state rests on violence in the last instance. Without a police force and a military, the state can exist for long. The use of violence by the revolution may be a necessity under many historical circumstances, but it is a tragic history that justifies this.

    One has to have experienced violence to really understand how tragic the necessity of violence is.

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