Questions About Council Communism

[OsirisTheMutualist]

I've been looking into council communism, its a very interesting ideology.

However, some things I still do not understand.

1) Will worker's councils act as a state or simply as a method of overthrowing capitalism?

2) Can one be an anarcho-communist and a council communist at the same time?

3) What are your personal opinions on this ideology?

Sorry if any of these questions are stupid, but this is an ideology that I only started learning about today.

[Heretek]

I've been looking into council communism, its a very interesting ideology.

However, some things I still do not understand.

1) Will worker's councils act as a state or simply as a method of overthrowing capitalism?

2) Can one be an anarcho-communist and a council communist at the same time?

3) What are your personal opinions on this ideology?

Sorry if any of these questions are stupid, but this is an ideology that I only started learning about today.

To think of anything post-revolution as a state is probably not the best of approaches, as it would resemble nothing of the sort that exists today. They're more along the lines of how workers would interact with each other in determining prodcution.

Council communism is basically dead as an independant tendency, and has been absorbed by several others, like some anarchists and tendencies of left coms. There's more but none I can think of.

Opinion? Indifferent, whatever is most efficient in the post period is what the proletariat will select

[ckaihatsu]

I have a standing concern with the degree of *substitutionism*, and possibly even misrepresentation, that could conceivably occur with any abstracted-representation political process, as with the use of councils.

To me, anyway, the 'council' formulation only begs-the-question -- is it for reasons of *expediency* / logistics -- ?

If a body-politic is to be accurately represented by a select subset of its population, a council, the *whole population* still has to be informed and knowledgeable about the issues-of-the-day, for the sake of passing along its sentiments to the 'representatives'.

And, today, we now have the Internet and numerous online tools of many-to-many communications like RevLeft, that allow full discussions of proposed policies and policy particulars -- isn't the whole point of revolution to cut-out the 'middleman' in both economic *and* political matters -- ?

[SonofRage]

Why does everyone need to calcify different ideas into an ideology? There's a lot of good to get from council communists ideas. I think it's a mistake to focus on specific conclusions rather than philosophical method and general principles.

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[(A)]

1) Will worker's councils act as a state or simply as a method of overthrowing capitalism?

Workers councils will exist in lieu of a state.

"Chief among the tenets of Council Communism is its opposition to the party vanguardism and democratic centralism of Leninist Ideologies and its contention that democratic workers' councils arising in the factories and municipalities are the natural form of working class organization and authority. Council Communism also stands in contrast to Social Democracy through its formal rejection of both the reformism and Parliamentarism."

2) Can one be an anarcho-communist and a council communist at the same time?

Both Anarcho-Communism and council communist exist within libertarian Socialism. They share the ideas of opposition to the collective control over the individual worker. Anarco-Communism and Council communism are not mutually exclusive.

3) What are your personal opinions on this ideology?

I think Anarcho-Communism is the only way of approaching and achieving communism. A state can not bring about a stateless society just as private ownership over the means of production cant create a society without Private ownership over the means of production. A socialist state is no better then a capitalist one for the workers for both subject the worker to unjust rule and exploitation.