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    Default Have you guy's heard about the French National Front's ridiculous "Eco-Nationalism"?

    I'm sure most of you have heard of Marie Le Pen, the leader of the French Far-Right National Front party. Like all the other fascist loons, her thing is "THOSE DAM MOSLYNZ" but I just read an interesting article on the National Front's stance on environmentalism.

    To be fair, they are better on this issue than conservatives here in the US, who just flat out deny it's existence half the time. Apparently, they recognize climate change exists, but question that it's man made. There is not only no legitimate scientific study that says climate change isn't real, but none that says it isn't man made.

    The world’s leading climate scientists in the UN’s Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change last year said that the evidence linking human activity to global warming was “unequivocal”. When asked about this, the NF dismissed the UN as a "communist project."

    Apparently, similar sentiments are found in other far-right parties. This is complete nonsense.
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    Apparently, similar sentiments are found in other far-right parties. This is complete nonsense.
    Not really, the far right and environmentalists have a long history.
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    Nature forms a central component to Nazi ideology. The idea of returning to the Teutonic rural lands and its use in shaping an autarkic Aryan nation is a big part of Nazi romanticism. Blood and soil, and all that nonsense.
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    Ecology fetishism on the Left, which mind you IS very prevalent (i.e. which extends far beyond bare concerns about the inability for private interest to address the/an ecological crisis, which of course every sane person has) is that component of Left 'ideology' that which allows all the other aspects of the Left which touch upon the sensitivities of conventional bourgeois norms - from sexuality to the abolition of the family, to be sustained in.

    Ecology fetishism is similar to the old anti-semitism, racism, etc. that pervaded the Left before the clear distinction was made through late 19th century Socialism, in that it is the last vestige of ruling ideology which allows one to avoid, implicitly, identification with that terrible monster we call Communism. It is the last remnant of all of one's attachment to the previous order, weakness in the midst of the ideological sensitivities of the bourgeoisie, so that one does not have to fully identify with revolutionary socialism and all it entails. Eco-Leftism is just another kind of reactionary socialism.

    Ecology fetishism on the Left is the ideology of the hysterical Left which is simply looking for a new bourgeois master, which does not even take itself seriously, but bombards perceived ruling powers with impossible demands (i.e. incessant futile agitation without organization or education) so that a (bourgeois) master will finally put them in their place.

    The truth however is that like anti-semitism, ecology fetishism is thorouhgly reactionary. Ecologism is anti-Communism, do not EVER forget the fact that the Nazis perceived themselves as guardians and protectors of nature in the midst of the ruthless, evil, unnatural, industrializing Soviet Union. That's not all. [B]Recall the reactionary romanticism of the 19th century, the old Toryism that lived on through Tolkien, which fetishized and idolized nature in the midst of the cold ruthlessness of industrial capitalism. Recall the relationship between the old decadent aristocracy and 'nature'. I mean I can really go on and on, about the re-emergence of ecology fetishism in relation to the decline of enlightenment values, and so on. But I have done so already.

    Front National seeks a clean, natural, healthy environment. Part of having a clean, natural, healthy environment, means cleaning the human habitat of Arabs, Africans, and the peripheral Jews. Any idiot who pays attention to Fascism today, knows that this kind of talk is LITERALLY part of their phraseology - i.e. a racially 'healthy' society, and so on. The pathological notion of nature is reactionary, as materialists we recognize nature as a series of catastrophes and accidents, which are total contingencies, which is totally meaningless. There is no harmony. It's literally all total shit, true beauty is the triumph of human will over shit, of literally producing meaning by your very life activity FROM NOTHING. That is true beauty.

    What is the task of Communism? The merciless destruction of 'mother nature'. Don't ever forget it.
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    As ecological crises become more acute, programs that place an emphasis on environmental preservation will definitely become more common across the political spectrum, I think
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    Nature forms a central component to Nazi ideology. The idea of returning to the Teutonic rural lands and its use in shaping an autarkic Aryan nation is a big part of Nazi romanticism. Blood and soil, and all that nonsense.
    I'm not sure that's the case with these guys. It seems more like it has to do with their relationship with certain businesses.
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    Well, you can be as philosophical about it as you want, but the the fact still remains that their scientifically illiterate.
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    Ecology fetishism on the Left, which mind you IS very prevalent (i.e. which extends far beyond bare concerns about the inability for private interest to address the/an ecological crisis, which of course every sane person has) is that component of Left 'ideology' that which allows all the other aspects of the Left which touch upon the sensitivities of conventional bourgeois norms - from sexuality to the abolition of the family, to be sustained in.

    Ecology fetishism is similar to the old anti-semitism, racism, etc. that pervaded the Left before the clear distinction was made through late 19th century Socialism, in that it is the last vestige of ruling ideology which allows one to avoid, implicitly, identification with that terrible monster we call Communism. It is the last remnant of all of one's attachment to the previous order, weakness in the midst of the ideological sensitivities of the bourgeoisie, so that one does not have to fully identify with revolutionary socialism and all it entails. Eco-Leftism is just another kind of reactionary socialism.

    Ecology fetishism on the Left is the ideology of the hysterical Left which is simply looking for a new bourgeois master, which does not even take itself seriously, but bombards perceived ruling powers with impossible demands (i.e. incessant futile agitation without organization or education) so that a (bourgeois) master will finally put them in their place.

    The truth however is that like anti-semitism, ecology fetishism is thorouhgly reactionary. Ecologism is anti-Communism, do not EVER forget the fact that the Nazis perceived themselves as guardians and protectors of nature in the midst of the ruthless, evil, unnatural, industrializing Soviet Union. That's not all. [B]Recall the reactionary romanticism of the 19th century, the old Toryism that lived on through Tolkien, which fetishized and idolized nature in the midst of the cold ruthlessness of industrial capitalism. Recall the relationship between the old decadent aristocracy and 'nature'. I mean I can really go on and on, about the re-emergence of ecology fetishism in relation to the decline of enlightenment values, and so on. But I have done so already.

    Front National seeks a clean, natural, healthy environment. Part of having a clean, natural, healthy environment, means cleaning the human habitat of Arabs, Africans, and the peripheral Jews. Any idiot who pays attention to Fascism today, knows that this kind of talk is LITERALLY part of their phraseology - i.e. a racially 'healthy' society, and so on. The pathological notion of nature is reactionary, as materialists we recognize nature as a series of catastrophes and accidents, which are total contingencies, which is totally meaningless. There is no harmony. It's literally all total shit, true beauty is the triumph of human will over shit, of literally producing meaning by your very life activity FROM NOTHING. That is true beauty.

    What is the task of Communism? The merciless destruction of 'mother nature'. Don't ever forget it.

    Sure it's all contingent, but there are far too many contingencies to plan on.

    The strange weather this year is going to really mess up the crops. Friend today was saying he saw a bunch of geese of just headed South. Normally they'd be gone November.

    I do see beauties in the will, but I also see beauty in many things unwilled. Clouds and happy accidents, silly jokes, rust, mushrooms, carrots and ginger.

    I'm a total city boy, but I can't see the Left's anti-Nature stuff as antipathy to the wild. If you're just being tough to tame, that's just another police fascism.
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    Sure it's all contingent, but there are far too many contingencies to plan on.

    The strange weather this year is going to really mess up the crops. Friend today was saying he saw a bunch of geese of just headed South. Normally they'd be gone November.

    I do see beauties in the will, but I also see beauty in many things unwilled. Clouds and happy accidents, silly jokes, rust, mushrooms, carrots and ginger.

    I'm a total city boy, but I can't see the Left's anti-Nature stuff as antipathy to the wild. If you're just being tough to tame, that's just another police fascism.
    I think he mean not anti-Nature (like, "BURN THE FORESTS!!!") but anti-Naturalism, the act of placing Nature as a "Great Other" whom we must obey and maintain.

    I mean, sure nature is important, but we mustn't face it like some Leftists do, almost religiously. The easiest and cheapest way to improve life quality is to partially restore nature, but not because "there is a mystical equilibrium to maintain" or some gibberish, but simply because it's the easiest and cheapest way.

    If there is a easiest and cheapest way (If we can live off Radiation like a Metro 2033's Dark One) we might as well as burn the forests and cover everything with concrete and uranium.

    It would make no sense in preserving nature (Unless you are some kind of "Trees rights activist")

    I'm not even sure if this is what he means (This is what I understand from Žižek), but Lacan is surely not being teached even to your grandma here.
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    The right's interest is to trick the most people into joining it with as many lies as possible.

    In America, the uneducated voter goes Republican because of the ''issues'' brought up. This is similar to the way fascists steal ideological orientation from leftists to increase their own numbers. They do this all the time, and I know because strasserists and others try to do it.

    Now with the national front of France in our current situation. I think it will eventually become the ruling party of France in the near future. Rightists such as the libertarians have mastered to use of words like ''liberty'' and ''freedom''. They will start to deeply ingrain this to their ideology. Then spread that cancer to the lower classes. Just see the way the world is being changed around us, and the ignorant peoples of the world will seek some sort of comfort. These utterly stupid ideologies are getting popular as an easy way to get rid of the problems. ''Just Bomb Em and put some boots in the Middle East!'' that is their answer to things; Or just ''FREE MAEKRT HERPERD!'' which in some respects is even worse. Now with this destruction of the socialist party of France, these scumbags are going to enter in the political vacuum. I'd hate to see an Erdogan or Putin in France, pretty scary thing.

    One of the worse problems of humanity is the ''scared mob'' mentality. This is exactly what Bonaparte, Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, and many other fascists used to win. In order to crush the right-wing we need to destroy their greatest weapon, ignorance.

    And you know what will be worse? Fascists are actually bad for nature in the end. They are an extension of the capitalist class and serve their will, extracting resources and ruining our planet. So their blabbering is mostly bullshit but should be seen as a danger towards the unaware masses.
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    Sure it's all contingent, but there are far too many contingencies to plan on.
    Insofar as these contingencies relate to human beings and their mode of life, there are never too many - insofar as there socially self-conscious living human beings capable of scientifically understanding the processes that relate to their lives. This requires great caution, of course, and careful planning.

    If this arguments holds merit, then not only are there 'too many' natural contingencies, but too many social contingencies to plan on, too. We as Communists obviously don't believe this.
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    Here is an interesting view of the many interrelations between eco-ideology and far-right political positions:

    Ecofascism - Lessons From The German Experience by Janet Biehl and Peter Staudenmaier

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    Originally Posted by Janet Biehl and Peter Staudenmaier
    For many [...] people, it may come as a surprise to learn that the history of ecological politics has not always been inherently and necessarily progressive and benign. In fact, ecological ideas have a history of being distorted and placed in the service of highly regressive ends--even of fascism itself. As Peter Staudenmaier shows in the first essay in this pamphlet, important tendencies in German "ecologism," which has long roots in nineteenth-century nature mysticism, fed into the rise of Nazism in the twentieth century. During the Third Reich, Staudenmaier goes on to show, Nazi "ecologists" even made organic farming, vegetarianism, nature worship, and related themes into key elements not only in their ideology but in their governmental policies. Moreover, Nazi "ecological" ideology was used to justify the destruction of European Jewry. Yet some of the themes that Nazi ideologists articulated bear an uncomfortably close resemblance to themes familiar to ecologically concerned people today.
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    It way simpler than that. I'm French and an anti-nazi. I've been involved in politics for 25 years. The French Front National couldn't care less about ecology. But its ideologues of the New Right are the "racial realist" heirs of Julius Evola. The Evolian equation is very easy to understand: the Nation is a biological concept (it is! natio comes from the Latin verb "to be born".... like Nature!) Nation=Nature="Blut und Boden". Is all. Nothing too hard to understand (or the fashs wouldn't get a fucking clue of what it's all about, ha!)

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