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Don't believe the polls, mifriend. Like really don't believe them.
This is rapidly becoming a game of chicken.....who blinks last wins.
A default from Greece as well as a Greek exit out of the EU will create a systemic recession in the EU and will leave the Euro vulnerable to currency speculation. It will certainly set precedent for the cohesion of the EU in the future and it will challenge EU power perception as both an economic and political force. The EU is downplaying this.
An exit also holds deep repercussions for Greece and will deeply hurt trade and bargaining positions on the global markets. On top of that it will probably adversely affect the living standards that are left of the Greek population and increase unemployment and poverty levels. And for that reason most Greeks want to stay in the union.
The EU position is banking on the fears of being worse off....and the concept of being the lesser of two evils...by openly expressing the possibility of a Greek exit.
What SYRIZA is seeking is a democratic mandate to reject the current "proposals" which would allow them to reverse this game.
There are three possible scenarios imo.
First, the government wants to force a yes amid "chaos". Pointing to that is that Varoufakis sais earlier today that if the institutions were to improve their offer, the government would support the "yes" in the referendum.
Another scenario is that they had a hidden agenda from the beginning to go back to drachma. This is what the conservatives are saying and I'm not buying it.
And the last possible scenario is that they truly are that naive and believe that the EU can be "democratic" and humane. Despite what happened in the last five months when they were negotiating with a mandate of no more austerity and ended up with an extra 7 billion in taxes and cuts (their proposal) not being enough.
...We shall never recognise equality with the peasant profiteer, just as we do not recognise “equality” between the exploiter and the exploited, between the sated and the hungry, nor the “freedom” for the former to rob the latter. And those educated people who refuse to recognise this difference we shall treat as whiteguards, even though they may call themselves democrats, socialists, internationalists, Kautskys, Chernovs, or Martovs.
V.I. Lenin
Haven't studied Greece's political conditions in-depth but it seems like Alexis and Syriza is doing the best a socialist can working within liberal democratic institutions.
He isn't working within by force, he's accepting them and when it comes to the EU, he's craving them even.
Also if by the best you mean nothing, you're right.
...We shall never recognise equality with the peasant profiteer, just as we do not recognise “equality” between the exploiter and the exploited, between the sated and the hungry, nor the “freedom” for the former to rob the latter. And those educated people who refuse to recognise this difference we shall treat as whiteguards, even though they may call themselves democrats, socialists, internationalists, Kautskys, Chernovs, or Martovs.
V.I. Lenin
And of course the news and the poll are absolutely neutral; they certainly don't have a vested interest in making Greece kneel down, no. Not possible.
Yes, the cute little green men in my basement told me that, so it must be true.
Luís Henrique
I don't really understand that attitude. By that logic we have to ignore all statistics and information.
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what about Greeks in general? how are they handling the news, and the situation with the possible exit from EU?
I know people had trouble withdrawing their money from banks in the last months, but from the pictures I see now people are lining up near banks still - are they getting their money?
Nope. We should acknowledge statistics and information - and the bias of those providing statistics and information.
Which, in the present case, is the bias of people who really want to see Greece paying its debts, even if it means unemployment and poverty for the Greek people.
Luís Henrique
The Greek parliament just approved the referendum.
Voted yay, SYRIZA, ANEL, Golden Dawn. (178 votes)
Voted nay, ND, PASOK, To Potami, KKE. (122 votes)
Now let's see how each political actor behaves in the (very short) campaign for the Greek's vote.
Luís Henrique
Did the kke release a semi coherent statement about their no vote?
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
Do you really believe that capital can be smashed in Greece by means of a EU exit?
Didn't we have plenty of opportunities to learn from the historical movements which unequivocally showed that such an isolation would first of all strangle the nominally politically empowered working class?
Anyway, I'm taking this provisionally as our beloved social democrats' plan to rein in the situation and remain atop of it by appealing to their voter and class base.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
But you don't even know the source of my claim, where it is from, who conducted the poll, how it was conducted, so your presumption of bias is seems based on "it's numbers I don't like, therefore they must be false".
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First thing, they are numbers from a resource made before the government's decision to take the issue to a referendum - and to ask for a "no" vote. To divulge the numbers without this caveat is already to show a definite bias in favour of the Troika.
Luís Henrique
polling looks pretty grim
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0P70RY20150627
Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.67
I haven't seen anything but I would assume it has to do with the argument that Syriza is indeed just doing this so they can get a "yes" vote and claim that they are just fulfilling the will of the people.
Syriza is campaigning for a "no" vote, however. But it seems that a "yes" vote is more likely
I've taken some phone polls before. The questioner phrases the questions so it's slanted towards a preferred answer.Originally Posted by Luís Henrique
Syriza is campaigning for a no vote on the lenders' proposal (http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release....htm?locale=en attachement at the bottom) as a "bargaining chip" to get them to move closer or accept the government's proposal (http://www.revleft.com/vb/syrizas-co...433/index.html).
The communist party asked for both proposals to be included in the referendum along with a question on EU participation, something the government denied to even discuss in the paliament. The communist party decided to vote against both proposals in the referendum anyway via a specially designed spoiled ballot.
...We shall never recognise equality with the peasant profiteer, just as we do not recognise “equality” between the exploiter and the exploited, between the sated and the hungry, nor the “freedom” for the former to rob the latter. And those educated people who refuse to recognise this difference we shall treat as whiteguards, even though they may call themselves democrats, socialists, internationalists, Kautskys, Chernovs, or Martovs.
V.I. Lenin
So if I understand correctly the KKE voted against the referendum because the only possible vote was on the EU dictate rather than the EU dictate and the austerity measures SYRIZA is willing to offer?
This makes sense.
What is the KKE counter proposal that should happen, barring and excluding revolution, within the current situation if both proposals were rejected?
So, to get this straight, you're asking what is KKE's proposal on what should happen, barring and excluding KKE's proposal?
...We shall never recognise equality with the peasant profiteer, just as we do not recognise “equality” between the exploiter and the exploited, between the sated and the hungry, nor the “freedom” for the former to rob the latter. And those educated people who refuse to recognise this difference we shall treat as whiteguards, even though they may call themselves democrats, socialists, internationalists, Kautskys, Chernovs, or Martovs.
V.I. Lenin
