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40 SYRIZA members voted no and 6 abstained. This leaves Tsipras in a very uncomfortable position as the opposition within his own party is much more sizable than previously thought.....on top of that he lost several government members that resigned the last few days.
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229 MPs voted ‘yes’ (or Nai), 64 voted ‘no’ (or Oxi), and 6 abstained.
Last edited by PhoenixAsh; 15th July 2015 at 23:22.
So...with these numbers...
How did KKE vote? And who are the one non voting member?
The Square is filling up again. Rapidly. The crowd doubled in 20 minutes
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/greecelive/pop-out
That's not live. At least not what I'm being fed at this end, it's not yet daylight in Athens.
It is pitch black night in my feed.
I'm guessing they didn't pay the electricity bill.
Europe says OXI fb page:
"As we learned of the disappointing result from the parliament, we also learned today that teargas from the left doesn't just burn the eyes; it burns hope.
[...]
This is a defeat we are not going to recover from soon - unless the people show their bravery again. That is our only hope.
So no time for mourning - we have to learn, reflect and organise. A new phase of the struggle has begun."
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Well, we have just witnessed a political suicide. Syriza is over; it is to be seen if its left can do something better than just opposing verbal resistance in parliament.
With half of the CC and a quarter of the parliamentary slate, they apparently do have the strength to dislodge Syriza as the main party in the left.
Tsipras is going to fall; let's see if he does so before or after taking capitulation into the logical consequence of a "national unity" government.
Luís Henrique
The debate went terrible for SYRIZA.
The opposition had a field day and it was noticeable how condescending they were towards both SYRIZA and in particular to Tsipras...like a gloating triumphant parent telling their previously warned child: "Told you so; welcome in the real world". This was exasperated by Tsipras very noticeably flip flopping and he was, rightly, called on it.
The ND reassured SYRIZA, repeatedly and with glee, that while they previously rejected the measures SYRIZA now brought home they would of course support the government unconditionally regardless of the fact that the memorandum was totally their fault for the childlike fantasy of being able to stand up to the EU and their incompetent swinging back and forth on positions and their words which made Tsipras and SYRIZA untrustworthy. They specifically referred to Tsipras statement that he wouldn't speak, then did speak in parliament as model behavior.
What we saw was the political and public assassination of the moderate left.
The left opposition was left in a very uncomfortable position in which they could not openly denounce the government of SYRIZA but voiced very strong opposition to the memorandum. This opposition was actually more vocal an much larger than I expected. I had expected them to cave. But with 39 SYRIZA MP's openly voting OXI and 6 direct abstentions...their opposition was quite principled. They did however state they would continue to support the government and would step down if asked. Which makes them hypocrites.
So far it really appears Golden Dawn will seriously benefit from the vote last night and there were many people in the streets expressing support for the showy tirades of the GD MP's who furiously tore up the memorandum and threw it across the floor in parliament.
My friends were in Athens. The night started with violent clashes between the protesters on the square and the riot cops. The square was cleared with tear gas and charges but the clashes turned into running battles in the side streets off the side streets for the larger part of the evening and part of the night. More actions are planned. Some small scuffles broke out between radical protesters and pockets of GD supporters. Nothing really major and it was noticeable that the KKE was largely absent from the protests. PAME however showed up dressed for the occasion...and for once weren't on the side of the cops.
It fills me with amazement to see such a narrow spirit, such an ignoble strife between two factions which should be one, and that, too, at a most critical period in the struggle of the proletariat.
What? Are we to put difference of party tactics before the desperate needs of the workers? Are we no better than the capitalist politicians who stand in the high places and harangue about pety matters, while millions of the people are underpaid, underfed, thrown out of work and dying? While countless women and children are breaking their hearts and ruining their bodies in long days of toil, we are fighting one another. Shame upon us! The enemy is at our very doors, and the hand of the destroyer does its fell work, while we leave the victims helpless, because we think more of our own theories — theories that have not even been tested!
It is well for us to disagree and discuss our differences fully and vigorously. But it is stupid to make the issues personal. If the points of controversy are ever so weighty, they are not so great as to justify the mischief which springs from the quarrels of comrades. How can the workers, whom we urge to unite, look to us Socialists for guidance if we fail to unite?
What are we organized for? What is our chief bond of unity? What is our avowed object? The welfare of the working class and the abolition of capitalism. By our fidelity to the working class and to our ultimate purpose we are to be tested. Our rise or fall depends not upon theories of party tactic, but upon what we do or fail to do in the practical contest. There are many ways to work for the coming of the Cooperative Commonwealth. But those who hope for that commonwealth and work for it, those who are on the workers' side of the battle are our comrades. They can never cease to be our comrades, even though they withdraw from our party, or are dismissed from our party. We are the friends of all who serve the workers, of all who labor for the social revolution, for the uplifting and enlightenment of all men.
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The only slaves who are happy, are the crazy ones.
Well, Syriza apparently decided to come back to the "real world"; so it isn't surprising that the actual owners of the real world welcome it back.
They (ND and PASOK) moved quite intelligently. They have supported the horrors of austerity, saying they were inevitable, and were justly punished by the Greek voters for it. So they are now saying out aloud, "see, human sacrifices are inevitable; to the sacrificial altar now, and you, who were opposed to it, lead the way, so that no doubt remains about the inevitability... lead the way, or clear it for those who have always had the courage to call it as we see it". Or in other words, either prepare for repression against the Greek people, or renounce government.
I am not sure that this makes them hypocrites, but it makes them terminally obtuse. The governmnent is over, it can only cling to power by negating itself to the fullest extent, including the unleashing of violent repression against their own political base. It can only save what little remains of its face by falling immediately, before it sullies its hands in blood.
It is said that there is a kind of blindness that is transmitted by sitting into parliamentary and ministerial seats; it seems to have affected the "left opposition". It is time to recongnise defeat and start anew; clinging to an electoral victory won in January won't do any good anymore.
While ND and PASOK are gloating about their pyrrhic victory, it is obvious that they remain political lepers, and won't be able to build any kind of "governability" of themselves. So it is time for some other political force to come into the scene, and be tried by the circumstances. The KKE remarkably doesn't want to, so this leaves us with Golden Dawn. Or perhaps Antarsyia, but it may be too late now for another left-wing alternative.
So let's prepare to what is probably coming unto us: Greece with a far-right, antisemitic, anti-immigration, openly bigoted, and probably pro-Russian government, the EU taking the opportunity to exclude and marginalise Greece under "democratic" pretexts, American imperialism appearing as the reasonable force that tries to push Germany into some common-sence calculation about the political risks of the situation, and Russia scheming Odin-knows-what scheme to profit on the troubles while shpealing "anti-imperialism".
Ample opportunities for leftists going astray and losing sight of what is at stake... as it seems we like to do.
Well, at least something remains predictable in this whole mess.
Luís Henrique
