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    Well, it's that time again and the propaganda machines of each Canadian political party are about to start working overtime. That's right: it's meaningless bourgeois election time in Canada! My question to my fellow leftists hailing from the GWN are a. Will you be voting and, if so, who will you we voting for?, b. Who will win?, and c. Majority or minority goverment?

    This will be my first election and I'll probably vote NDP or Green just to steal a vote away from Harper.
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    It's too early for this shit...in more ways than one. I'm meant to be getting up in 1 1/2 hours. Also, the election isn't until October, damn it! Since you mentioned it now, though, I had to be first ....

    I will not vote. This election is a (stale) joke. Harper is...Harper. Trudeau is an opportunist with a megalomaniacal streak. The NDP were right to remove the word "socialism" from their party constitution, and have been working hard to demonstrate this as they gain "viability" in proportion to their rightward shift. The Greens have a snowball's chance in hell of forming a government or even a significant position in a coalition, and are ultimately bourgeois at any rate. With special thanks to first-past-the-post, though honestly even without it, "stealing a vote from Harper" by voting for a third- or fourth-place party in no way hurts Harper or the Conservatives electorally. All it does is contribute to legitimizing a farce that around 40% of eligible voters in Canada already don't see fit to partake in.

    The only "strategic" option is not a vote, it's an uncompromising rejection of the status quo through other channels. Even if your vote "counted", voting for parties which are opportunistically shifting to the right in order to better fit the limited spectrum of mainstream politics can only send the wrong message to them about that "strategic" manoeuvre, in any case.

    I'm expecting a Liberal resurgence but probably another Conservative minority. The NDP may be shifting rightward, but the Liberals are still the "devil we know" for bourgeois interests. The Conservatives have stepped on a lot of toes (even friendly ones), but remain unwavering in their support of the oil industry, defunding of public health care, and military actions, to name a few of their projects. They've also certainly made use of their majority to make changes that secure their position further.
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    I was going to post this somewhere else, but it felt more appropriate to bump this thread.

    An acquaintance of mine (who's own positions are ambiguous except that she opposes Harper) shared this article on Facebook about voter turnout in Canada. I was tempted to respond, but I've gotten into that argument in the past with some mutual friends who are staunch liberals and it went nowhere.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ick=sf_globefb

    Much has been made of the fact that the new federal budget is craftily geared by the Harper government to appeal to specific segments of the voting population. Seniors are getting all kinds of goodies, some designed specifically for their age group and others that are available to all, but which will (nudge nudge wink wink) benefit them the most. Two-income couples with children under 18 are big winners, too, as are small-business owners. Left off the gravy train are young people. Why? Because they are way less likely to cast a vote than older people are, and they don’t make up as large a share of the population as they used to. By being disengaged, they have now become conveniently ignorable, not just by the government but by the opposition parties, too.
    In fact, it is arguable that, to some extent, all the federal parties are strategically relying on young voters to continue their apathetic ways. Everything is seniors this, middle-class hard-working families that. Very few policies are being directed at young, unmarried, new-to-the-work-force voters, and none of the parties seems particularly interested in harnessing the energy of new, social-media-savvy voters the way Barack Obama did when he won office in 2008.
    In Canada, the steady decline in youth voter participation over the past generation has now become a vicious circle, in which the less youth vote, the less the parties reach out to them, and the more disengaged they become.
    This is nothing less than a crisis for a democratic country. A 2013 Parliament of Canada study concluded that more young voters than ever are dropping out of electoral participation at all levels of government. Worse still, their apathy is permanent. They don’t start voting as they get older, which is one of the key reasons the average participation rate in Canada is dropping. A country where, a generation ago, more than 75 per cent of the population routinely voted in major elections is now lucky to have a 61 per cent turnout.
    Instead of doing something about this dilemma, the current political discourse is designed to exacerbate it.
    Canadians aged 18-34 have always been less likely to vote than people 35 and up. This isn’t new.
    But two things have happened. First, the gap between the participation rate of voters aged 18-34 and the overall participation rate in any given election has steadily widened since the 1980s, according to Elections Canada. Before 1980, you could expect the youth participation rate to be about 10 percentage points lower than the overall turnout. In the 1970s, it wasn’t unusual to have a total participation rate of around 80 per cent, and a youth participation rate of 70 per cent.
    That started to erode in the 1980s and hasn’t stopped since. In the 2011 federal election, the overall turnout was 61.1 per cent, but only 38.8 per cent of voters aged 18-24 cast a ballot. The gap between the two rates was more than 22 percentage points.
    Older voters, meanwhile, remain about as likely as ever to cast a ballot. In 2011, the participation rate for people aged 58 and up was over 70 per cent. The decrease in the average turnout of the past 35 years is almost entirely due to the drop in the youth vote.
    The second thing that has happened is that Canada’s population has gotten older. All those youthful boomer voters of the 1970s are now getting close to retirement, if they aren’t already there. In the meantime, Canada’s birth rate has fallen. Back in the 80s, people over 65 made up 10 per cent of the population. Today, they make up 16 per cent – one in six.
    And, for the first time, there are now more Canadians aged 55-64 than there are aged 15-24. Thirty years ago, the younger cohort was twice the size of the older one.
    So put yourself in the shoes of a battle-hardened Conservative, Liberal or NDP strategist. You can dedicate part of your election campaign energies toward a shrinking group of voters who have, at best, a 40 per cent chance of casting a ballot. Or you can ignore them and precision-target a much larger and growing group that will reliably vote at a rate of around 75 per cent. Which would you choose?
    In the 2011 federal election, all three major parties focused on the middle class and on families. They made few direct references to youth. When they did, it was more often about “youth crime” or “at-risk youth” than it was about youth unemployment or university tuition. The parties are doing the same in this election, all led by the Harper government’s pro-senior, pro-family budget.
    The terrible downside to this precision campaigning is that it is training young people not to participate in democracy. We know from the data that young Canadians who don’t vote now probably won’t vote later in life, and yet the message the under-25 crowd is getting in this election is, Your ballot is not needed.
    Young people are smart – they understand the data as well as anyone. They know where they stand. They undoubtedly suspect that their well-documented apathy has been factored into strategists’ planning, which only deepens their disengagement.
    What they want is a leader who speaks to their desire to change the world for the better and to rise above partisan politics. The late Jack Layton caught the imagination of many younger voters in 2011, but that’s not something that his successor, Thomas Mulcair, has going for him. Stephen Harper knows better than to even try. Justin Trudeau is the youngest of the bunch, but he never stops talking about middle-class Canadian families. His battle-lines are clear.
    Is there a way to get young Canadians back in the game? Not in this election, unfortunately. The apathy of young voters has caused politicians to tune out. Politicians tuning them out has made young voters more apathetic. The vicious circle goes round and round. And we’re losing a generation of voters.



    This article is reflective of the typical "get out and vote" narrative from the media and from what I've heard on university campuses. The trendy line is to reduce the declining voter turnout simply to a demographic shift, as though liberal politicians would truly represent the interests of this conveniently obscured group of "young voters" if only they would vote. The treatment of "young voters" as some uniform demographic is ridiculous. A 20-something business major from a relatively wealthy family and a working-class teenager from a poorer family that might, say, rely on a food bank just don't have the same prospects and therefore cannot be appealed to through some catch-all rhetoric and promises that benefit only a segment of youth. When attempts at such sweeping appeals based on caricatures gradually resonate less and less, this is not a reason to scream angrily at "the younger generation" to "get out and vote and make your voices heard!" It's just something to be expected. The fact that politicians don't (at least, many or most don't) proactively address disengagement as a problem of democratic legitimacy, but rather operate implicitly as if a "democracy" can function effectively as such with a significant part of the population disengaged from and neglected in politics shows just how hollow the claim of "representative democracy" is. Not only do they not proactively address it as a problem, but they instead integrate it into their electoral strategy. Why? Because their concern is not being democratic, but merely presenting the facade of democracy. They can continue to represent capitalist interests regardless of who among the youth votes. Notice also that voter turnout first significantly declined in tandem with the neoliberal shift of the 1980s. Coincidence? Doubtful. Capitalists have attacked the gains made by workers through long struggles, and have done so with the backing of politicians. Canadian workers are far from being revolutionary proletariat, but they don't have to be in order to feel screwed over by politicians.


    In short: Politicians don't represent workers' interests, young or old, voters or non-voters. "If only young people voted"...whatever you think would happen, the interests of young workers or aspiring workers still wouldn't be represented as this article and the broader narrative it reflects suggests. This is not a "crisis for a democratic country", but a crisis for the Canadian state's ability to present a veneer of democracy. Of course, none of that matters if your goals stop at "get rid of Harper!".
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    I always vote despite all the crap.

    Harper is going to cheat like he always does,as long as the vermin(PC) are out of power.i don't give a crap who wins anymore.

    If harper stays in power the only way we are getting rid of him is armed rebellion.
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    Why vote at all? This isn't proportional representation, so it doesn't work like that. Regardless, it only serves to legitimize bourgeois democracy.
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    As shit as the liberal democracies like Canada may be, boycotting the system really doesn't do anything to end it. Can't we work towards revolution and vote to attempt to avoid a worse Conservative political calamity simultaneously?
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    Will not vote until a leftist alternative presents itself, in the sense of a political party that is willing to challenge the interests of capital.
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    As shit as the liberal democracies like Canada may be, boycotting the system really doesn't do anything to end it. Can't we work towards revolution and vote to attempt to avoid a worse Conservative political calamity simultaneously?
    No, voting will change absolutely nothing. Lesser evilism is a liberal tactic which does nothing to serve the working class. Vote NDP? Watch them move rightward and become New Labour.

    Spoil your ballot if you must, your single vote will mean nothing. Nothing will change until the class itself revokes it's labour and forces a change.
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    I feel like "not voting" in of itself isn't really effective for delegitimizing parliamentary capitalism. Which is only to say that organized abstention is maybe something to consider.

    I've heard Max Haiven is planning on organizing some sort of campaign of getting folk to say they won't vote unless a party agrees to endorse some specific reforms (I don't know what they are in particular - knowing Max, likely mass debt forgiveness/Jubilee). Which, you know, is a somewhat novel approach.

    I tend to vote for the CPC(M-L), since I'm usually on friendly terms with their candidates, and, not really seeing voting as relevant one way or the other, it seems like a nice gesture of friendship and non-sectarianism, haha.
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    So, NDP majority in Alberta, eh? Think that'll mean something for Fall?
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    So, NDP majority in Alberta, eh? Think that'll mean something for Fall?
    No, and if I have to read one more article proclaiming that everything's different now and the right is on its way out because social democrats were elected in Alberta with 41% of the popular vote, I'm gonna snap.

    In any case, it bears mentioning that a vote for Notley is not necessarily a vote for Mulcair.
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    I think everyone should just be more relaxed about the election. It's clear that Harper is doing us no good, and although there is a lot of skepticism amongst the leftist community over the other two candidates, it's worth giving one of them a try. It's best to take a look at all options given any scenario. There's no point in moping that no candidate will start a revolution.
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    There's no point in moping that no candidate will start a revolution.
    That's not moping. That's stating a fact. They won't.
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    So 40% of Canadians didn't vote? Just under 2/3's of Americans didn't vote either in midterms. It occurs to me, hasn't anyone thought of messaging to these people? We have half, or a 1/3 of the country('s) potentially able to really change things.

    More than half in some countries!

    Of course how are you going to make a party to work for those 40%? I leave that up to all of you and your dedication to try something.
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    So 40% of Canadians didn't vote? Just under 2/3's of Americans didn't vote either in midterms. It occurs to me, hasn't anyone thought of messaging to these people? We have half, or a 1/3 of the country('s) potentially able to really change things.

    More than half in some countries!

    Of course how are you going to make a party to work for those 40%? I leave that up to all of you and your dedication to try something.
    I think the first step to making a "party" that works for that 40% is taking the time to really listen to what they're saying. My guess would be that a bit of social research would reveal that much of that 40%: a) Thinks all political parties and politicians are the same, b) That voting is a waste of time and effort, and/or c) That they're so estranged from the political process that they neither know nor care what's happening with it. Now, to be perfectly honest, I haven't put my nose to the grindstone and gone door to door - this is just a bit of what I read from my interactions in various work places full of young working class people (ie - those who tend to not vote).

    I honestly expect something of a larger voter turn-out this around because of popular ABC (Anyone But the Conservatives) sentiment among young folk . . . but this really doesn't get us any closer to building organizations that reflect the aspirations or needs of the mass of non-voters.
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    I think I'm going Anything But Conservative -- which probably translates into voting Liberal in my riding. And the Liberal will most likely be a slime ball. Harper's gotta go.
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    That's not moping. That's stating a fact. They won't.


    It's still moping, even if it's true. Like, moping over a rejection. You have no chance with someone who rejected you, but you can still move on. We have no chance at a revolution with any political party, but can still vote for whoever is in our best interest. Like everyone is saying, ABC is popular because Harper needs to get out. Maybe you're retired, or in the middle working class, in which case you may benefit from Trudeau's plans. I haven't heard much from Muclair(?), but perhaps the NDP has something of benefit. Hell, it's cool that Trudeau *appears* to have some social tendency, but if I vote for him, it'll mostly be for cannabis. Just vote for someone who you see even the slightest benefit in.
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    No, and if I have to read one more article proclaiming that everything's different now and the right is on its way out because social democrats were elected in Alberta with 41% of the popular vote, I'm gonna snap.
    I'm getting close to snapping myself. The community I live in during the summers is like hippie/social democrat central. It's almost worse than being surrounded folks with torry sympathies all the time - which is what I'm more used to. I can't even count the amount of "this is so great" and "such a big step" conversations I've been subjected to since the election. I've just been keeping my mouth shut, since I know whatever I say will just be interpreted as a torrent of cynicsm.
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    I'm getting close to snapping myself. The community I live in during the summers is like hippie/social democrat central. It's almost worse than being surrounded folks with torry sympathies all the time - which is what I'm more used to. I can't even count the amount of "this is so great" and "such a big step" conversations I've been subjected to since the election. I've just been keeping my mouth shut, since I know whatever I say will just be interpreted as a torrent of cynicsm.
    I understand completely. There's also the matter of Bill C-51. As awful as the bill itself is, the "We've traded freedom for security" narrative is pretty damn annoying. When you rely on legislation for freedom, of course the logical course of action is to rely on galvanizing support for social democrats in order to reverse the course currently set by the Conservatives.
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    I understand completely. There's also the matter of Bill C-51. As awful as the bill itself is, the "We've traded freedom for security" narrative is pretty damn annoying. When you rely on legislation for freedom, of course the logical course of action is to rely on galvanizing support for social democrats in order to reverse the course currently set by the Conservatives.


    How do you think the outcome of the election could affect Bill C-51? Do you think we could ever get rid of the bill? If not, I hope the government pushes everyone to revolution with more bills. This stuff is just really pissing me off. It seems like my only hope to live in a decent country is to move.

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