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Covered? You never even replied back to me! Thoughts are coming from the brain, my dear nihilist, and thoughts of emotions are not emotions but are only deceitful representations of emotions. Do you understand English or should I translate it into Russian for you? Here is a definition of a thought:
Thought is a change in brain-activity that is embodied in an impulse of the nervous tissue, which is a part of the nervous system regulated by the brain.And don't confuse anything stupid, like Chopranian idealisms/materialisms, focused on the brain (primacy of consciousness, ditto!) with mysticisms focused on the heart. I've given you so much to contemplate, but you would prefer to be a stock sheep and not question yourself and the reality you are living in, eh? At least Marxists are more critical of society.
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This is just... so wrong. I don't know where this came from... But... ahhh... I can't even comprehend how wrong it is.
Emotions are the product of neurotransmitters in the brain that stimulate different areas of the brain depending on certain stimuli. For example, love is the reward system of your brain being flooded by dopamine and oxytocin as a result of being around, and being in physical contact with, someone you are psychologically attracted to.
Dragging Marxists into the modern age, kicking and screaming, one pointless argument at a time.
Emotion is a change in heart rate? So anaerobic exercise to exhaustion is, logically, the strongest emotion, since it sees the biggest spikes, at the fastest rate?
Presumably, you think brain activity is irrelevant in regards to emotion, since it is not mentioned in your definition?
Your rationalization is so wrong on many levels. What's also wrong is in your head, such as your motto that "Nothing is sacred." This is indeed so, and your only path is toward Nonexistence, or becoming a non-human.
Here is what I say to your like:
Only those are insane who are focused on the brain. Learn to focus on the heart instead.
What you said about neurotransmitters is only true of initiating emotions but they don't explain the actual experience of emotions. You may initiate emotions but you may not have them, since you need emotions as the end, which only happens through the heart and the soul (i.e., its electromagnetic field).
Again, your explanation of electro-chemical interactions is not an explanation of our consciousness but merely a reduction of our consciousness to the level of molecules. Are you a molecule? This is seemingly all you are concerned with! What about society and what makes us human? Oh, no, your Marxism came from Kantianism, which came from Cartesianism! The most horrible chain of the worst mistakes and the most mistaken in the history of humankind! Wake up, people! WAKE THE FUCK UP! (Pardon me trying to get you out of your comfort zone, but this is necessary for a revolution in your consciousness. I need to use force on you, otherwise, you simply ignore everything I say as a whole.)
Yes, emotion is a change in heart rate, which means that any physiological excitation, such as when you go to a gym and exercise, is producing emotions. Now, this is a complicated question whether such excitation is a negative or a positive emotion, but let's hypothesize, since we don't yet have enough experimental results to show what happens.
To test my hypothesis, see whether you can think clearly during your exercise. If you can, you generate synchronicity between heart and brain and thus have positive (and healthy) emotions, but if you do not think (or operate your brain sufficiently), then that excitation is negative and potentially has a bad effect on your organism, although in a very small and unnoticeable quantity. In order to die from negative emotions, you must be experiencing them a lot and in great quantity! Also remember that a negative emotion is a slippery slope when mixed in with the positive. Whenever positive and negative combine, negative always wins.
So, your exercises may increase your muscle mass, but if you don't use your brain during the activity, your emotional state and soul actually degenerate (which we can see with a lot of athletes, unfortunately.)
Brain activity is crucial and extremely relevant to emotions. You cannot have emotions without them being initiated by your brain! The heart cannot function without the brain, but the brain can (synthetically) function without the heart. Of course, the latter would mean the brain of a transhuman, or non-human. Do you conceive of yourself as a human or do you want to be something else?
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Let's turn that around. I've read my share of books and watched my share of movies that really gave me 'the feels' and almost made me tear up at times, for various reasons. I don't recall my heart rate changing a lot of those times, though. So... was I not feeling emotions after all?
If you say that "everything is physical", what exactly do you think a soul is? Although even aside from that, I find this paragraph very odd. Athletes degenerate emotionally because they do not think while exercising? What kind of degeneration are we talking about here in concrete terms? Didn't you also say that this kind of negative emotion has negligible effect on you?
I think it's a pretty good demystification of vague, quasi-religious concepts that both you and other people who have either preceded or are opposed to scientific thought propagate.
A counter-question: What do you mean by "the feels" and "tear up"? If you didn't feel them in your body, how do you know they even happened? It could just be in your mind, Partisan. You could have started initiating them but never actually got to experiencing them. That's what I mean when I say that an initiation of emotion does not equal emotions. Think along the lines: brain starts, heart completes, but if heart completes then brain necessarily starts. (The gym exercises are harder, since you force your heart, and body, to go through the emotional process, but your brain may not feel this or connect back to the heart.)
As I wrote earlier in this thread and some others, the soul is the electromagnetic field of the heart. Since we can measure electromagnetic fields of our hearts, these fields are indeed physical.
A negligible effect is had by someone who went to a gym for a day and then never came back. If your life is all about physical exercise, I would say that not using your brains would have a negative effect on you. Of course, this is only a hypothesis, but I need to say it to show that physical exercise does not contradict what I said about emotions.
What do you mean by a quasi-religious and demystified? Are you aware of your own consciousness or do you rely on scientists who do not know about consciousness, except that it's the same as a robot's? Read this article to learn more about an effort that at least starts to approach the complexities of what a "complete" consciousness is.
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.....Why am I getting a strong hint of Neo-Tech from all of this?
"I've never read Marx's Capital, but I've got the marks of capital all over my body." -Big Bill Haywood
"...Experience declares that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the governments of Europe, and to the general prey of the rich on the poor."- Thomas Jefferson
-=UTOPIA IS THE MORAL RIGHT OF HUMANITY=-
Probably because you have not done enough research into the HeartMath Institute? Yes, they were once affiliated with Frank R. Wallace, but that was a mistake they made by trusting the insincere man without knowing his actual motives.
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I wouldn't say that fear comes out of lack of understanding; in fact, in my experience the most intense combined bouts of fear and love were well justified in that the suspicion, the object of fear was rationally thought out - an aspect of a loved one's personality, which was inherently ambiguous and could go either way with me (in fundamental terms of outright rejection or acceptance; thus the fear).
Pretty much I can't feel love without fear now due to past events; for better or worse.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
Ok... I can't argue with this insanity. It's like trying to explain advanced evolutionary theory to a creationist. Our paradigms are too different to even be comparable.
Dragging Marxists into the modern age, kicking and screaming, one pointless argument at a time.
I don't recommend focusing on incommensurability, because that only leads to violence, or labeling me "insane" in order to try to deceivingly hide your own weakness and inadequacy. Let's instead focus on rational persuasion and identification and be, like civil humans, respectful to each other. First, read my analysis of the texts cited on wikipedia to show "evidence" against HeartMath Institute. First is my review of Mr. Novella's blog post Energy Medicine - Noise-Based Pseudoscience.
How convenient it is to close comments and avoid dialogue on this blog, especially after some commented with such militant confusion, such as a statement that HeartMath does not call "heat, electrical, noise, radioactive decay, motion, light, etc." energy. That is exactly what HeartMath studies: physical energy coming from our bodies. It is especially reprehensible to take this blog post as the only one of two reference citations about HeartMath on wikipedia.org, as if there was no other independently verified evidence for HeartMath's research findings. The editors of "Science-Based Medicine" should be ashamed of themselves. They did not act like true scientists, who would participate in the ongoing application and modification of findings based on Socratic method, the essence of the scientific method so (mis)used today.
The author of this blog post, Steven Novella, is a proponent of materialist skepticism, i.e., a philosophical viewpoint that makes him reject any other philosophy. Mr. Novella has never read any professional research on electromagnetic/photonic/radio biology, such as A.S. Presman's Electromagnetic Fields and Life (1970), Andrew A. Marino's (Ed.) Modern Bioelectricity (1988), Joseph L. Kirschvink et al.'s (Eds.) Magnetite Biomineralization and Magnetoreception in Organisms: A New Biomagnetism (Topics in Geobiology) (2013), or the 147 peer reviewed and/or independently verified professional articles on the HeartMath Institute's website: Research Library - HeartMath Institute. Instead, we first need to study them carefully. But, of course, Mr. Novella never searched for them because he became dependent on his very narrow terministic screen, which can never automatically show him what's beyond his sight.
It is probably true to conclude that Mr. Novella thinks that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" without realizing that he is contradicting himself, for something that is outside of materialist theory cannot be explained by that materialist theory. And for this reason, among many others, Mr. Novella would rather conform to the mainstream science, which is mostly within the philosophy of materialism, and accept its metaphysics avoiding an impetus for change. While utilizing the logic of annihilation (A is non-A), which is a part of the metaphysics of materialism, Novella wants to put at least some effort (not too much, though) into specifically searching and, of course, finding something bad. Novella never thinks of creation; he is only interested in destroying what he perceives as bad (which could be others' mistakes, which he takes as the affirmative evidence of the absolute truth). Overemphasizing mistakes and underemphasizing reality is the ongoing goal that Mr. Novella feels competent pursuing. At the end, what Mr. Novella finds is the products of his own philosophy: "either nothing, or simply noise." For Mr. Novella, "some source of random or artifactual signals that generate data" is his internalized absolute truth that he psychologically projects on his enemies, thus masking his own motives.
So, where is the review of scientific evidence? This article merely reviews its own materialist philosophical conflict with the philosophies of mysticism and realism. The abundant analogies and metaphors, such as "Tooth Fairy science," "phantom signals," "noise of data," "pseudoscientific facade," only reflect the deep-seated, ingrained belief of Mr. Novella that "mere noise" is all we can feel. Thus, he is "completely lost in the noise of data" without being able to find any meaning in non-materialism, also known as emotional spirituality. Does he even believe in his own rhetoric, or would he call his insights completely "objective" and without a grain of his own consciousness? It seems that rhetoric for Mr. Novella is a mere style, a noisy decorum he himself abundantly uses. In addition to such mental noise, Mr. Novella wants to believe that his heart rate is also noise, as he decides to undermine the science behind the scientifically recorded and well known phenomenon of heart rate variability (HRV). It seems that currently our skeptic is going against science in this regard, that is, any science that is not materialist.
It is important to note that Mr. Novella confirms that the heart generates an electromagnetic field and that tissues have electrical properties. However, Mr. Novella never connects these "factoids" by thinking that an electromagnetic wave of a heart is its pulse coming from blood tissues. Connecting the suppressed or perceived-as-random facts, we find that tissues and their electromagnetic standing waves are inseparable. This is the fact of electromagnetic biology, which Mr. Novella probably also labels a "pseudoscience," since he does not want to believe in the electromagnetic nature of our bodies, i.e., our consciousness (also known as soul and mind). Mr. Novella would rather continue receiving funding in order to fight the "enemies" who hold imaginary metaphysical concepts of ourselves similar to the groundless metaphysics to which he himself holds.
Although sometimes the terms "pseudoscience" and "pre-scientific superstition" could explain much in mathematics (such as "superposition" or "Big Bang"), they are often improperly exaggerated by the overly praised and self-labeled "respectable science" and remind of the same labels the Church placed on the free-thinkers who did not fit the common molds, namely "heretics." Of course, the materialist scientists wish to believe that their "science" is not based on any philosophy (or on any real scientists who were also philosophers), but that's because they do not want to know any realist philosophy and science. Novella's beliefs are false due to the lack of his own knowledge, since the current trend of "science" is mostly based on the Democritean philosophy as well as on the misinterpretation and subsequent distortions of Aristotelian philosophy. The rigor that Mr. Novella desires is on the level of physical particles and not on the level of human beings, who are so, unfortunately for Mr. Novella, unlike a synthetically flawed "being" he desires to be.
After thus exposing Mr. Novella's stance within some context, I wish to refer you to my own work: Part I: Towards New Economy
As for the second, "recommendation" article written by the so-called "The Nightingale Collaboration" cited on the wikipedia "stub" about HeartMath, NHS Lanarkshire to end referrals to Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital - The Nightingale Collaboration, it quickly mentions its inadequate research into HeartMath, possibly under the influence of the kind of accessible work done by Mr. Novella (considering that Mr. Novella wrote it about 2 years prior to this article). The "recommendation" article then mentions the different responses of patients, dividing them first into those who support "homoeopathy" and then those who do not support it, with such groundless claims as "no basis in science," "homoeopathy has never been proven to work," and a subjective evaluation "homoeopathy is useless." Not only is HeartMath not considered a "homoeopathy" but a heart science research institute, but even mixing HeartMath with insufficiently scientific agencies is a tactic to undermine HeartMath's groundbreaking research, the research which is so inconvenient to the materialist medical agencies currently vying for dominant positions.
At the end, this vying-to-be-called a "news" article states that NHS Lanarkshire should be "going with the best evidence rather than popularity in deciding what treatments to provide" without any evidence. The writers of this article do not like "the praise for the services" at that hospital and rationalize the responses as "mostly from those not actually using them," making it seem as if there was something wrong with the patients who are being subjective about the effective treatments they receive. The article ends with a wishful thought and a lack of caring for patients who were happy with treatments that "this must surely be the final nail in the coffin of the Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital." The authors cite an unprofessional and unverified blog about the closure of this hospital in line with evidence that there was a "decline in outpatient attendances over the last ten years." No wonder that these are the effects of many patients believing the kinds of materialist skeptics like Mr. Novella or the personnel at "The Nightingale Collaboration."
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Bruh, we get it, you got duped by psuedo scientific asshats.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
If that's the only conclusion you came up with after reading what I wrote, then I have to conclude that it is impossible to explain the (advanced) evolutionary nature of our consciousness to your backward kind.
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Lol, backward because we don't accept pseudoscience.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Backwards, because you call true science a "pseudoscience." Back in the Dark and Middle Ages, your likes burned "heretics" at the stake. Do you honestly believe that your mislabeling practices are the autodafe of today?
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What is to "feel" love?
You are happily married, you love your wife/husband. Then when going back home you are mugged, you are scared out of your guts. Do you stop loving your beloved one while being mugged?
If so, it would make as much sence to ask, "can you feel love and calculate the structure of a bridge at the same time?"
Luís Henrique
When you are being mugged and scared out of your guts, are you thinking of your wife and kids (presumably in positive ways)? If you are not thinking about them, then how can you say that you don't stop loving them? If loving for you is mere thought (as is clear from your assumptions), then if you are not thinking of love, you cannot be loving at that time, correct? Otherwise, please provide your definition of love.
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Dude, OK, so, what role tmdo the chemicals in the brain hold in emotions?
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
The heart beating is a not the symbol of the feeling: It's preparation for physical exercise.
In the case, sex.
The love feeling, the pleasure, is one, the preparation for mating, is another, and the preparation for mating (and the mating itself) that brings the "heart beating fast"
