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im sorry that i gave the wrong impression and now you think i'm some kind of a spy
OK I have a question:
Which is more powerful, 5.56mm or .22LR?
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I went to grammar school. So basically if you have a question.
Just kidding. However what kind of weapon training did you attend? And there are an extreme amount of weapons out there. Or do you know a lot about all of them?
I went to public skool, so im proeffecient in most hand guns :P
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here is a classic thread concerning weapons knowledge
besides all of the posturing and insults, there is some good information being used
it revolves around the first phase(the invasion phase) of the second IRAQ war
here's the link
don't mind the title, I don't actually "love" the ak47 or anything like that
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http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...9148&hl=beloved
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I'm assuming your referring to the .223 (5.56x45) M-16, M4A-1 round. Definitely more powerful.
The 5.56x45 propels a 55 grain bullet at an inital muzzle velocity of 3,180 fps (964
mps) through the standard 20 inch barrel of the M16.
A .22 LR cartridge is typically around 40 grains and has an initial muzzle velocity of around 1280 fps.
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im sorry that i gave the wrong impression and now you think i'm some kind of a spy
Did you click the link? Lets say we all have the knowledge, there just isn't much to discuss on the subject.
I think you will find a .22 is just as powerful as the 5.56x45 at close ranges- the smaller surface area compared to the power of the cartridge- a 'needle and hammer' effect with the 5.56 being the hammer and the .22 being the needle.
Don't forget also that the 5.56 'tumbles' after a certain distance, decreasing it's penetrating power and causing more injury than death.
Althought the 5.56 has far superior range than the .22
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Yes, but the defining quality for "power" of a round is the energy that it delivers. The velocity of the 5.56 creates much more shock than the .22 LR.
The drawback to the 5.56X45 is that it is full metal jacketed, and thus will tend to over penetrate at close range, whereas a .22LR can be a lead round or semi jacketed which will expand better.
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I believe it is a bit generalised to assume it is only in an M-16. 5.56 is a Nato round, and if you take, for example the SA80 then (although I am not too sure about A2) it has a velosity of 902 mps...a bit less than an M16, but slightly more stopping power.
Powerful weapons are great, but everything has to be used in relation to range, as a weapon to powerful will simply exit to quickly, a round that takes more to cause an exit wound is often messier.
The only knowledge I have is from Training with the British Army, mainly through cadet forces...I have undertaken two small arms coaching courses, and other things are from involvment with a few mates living wild for a bit. Although this summer will have to be withoput weapons...one of my friends having gotten locked up for armed robbery.
Has any here been shot at before? I wouldn't relly say I have, although the psycho now in prison has shot at me with a .22 and actually got be with a glancing hit from a 1.77 air rifle...it fucking hurts <_<. Weapons are fun, but I still think that too many irresponsible people get their hands on them.
If it weren't for the fact that other ppl would get hurt, I would say let idiots have weapons; and let nature take it's course. Darwin would have been proud.
All I've fired is a bb pistol (hmm), a .22 rifle and an L98A1 Cadet Rifle.
The closest thing I've came to being shot at is being ambushed by my friends with bb guns. twice.
but that's another story...
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Sorry. I meant it for demonstrative purposes, although I believe that the M-16 was the first military rifle chambered for that caliber.
Nato only fairly recently has adopted it as their cartridge. It was previously the 7.62. It is now split between the 7.62 and the 5.56.
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Does anyone know precisely what calibre the AK-47 uses? I know it's 7.something...
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The Ak-47 is chambered for 7.62x39
The Ak-74 developed later, is chambered for 5.45x39
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Thanks a lot disgustapated!
Would you consider yourself a gun nut?
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No, not a gun nut. I am an enthusiast though.
Seriously, I grew up hunting, have always owned at least one shotgun, one rifle and one pistol and one compound bow at any given time. Actually, these days I seem to prefer shooting/hunting with the bow. Much quieter, and not as heavy to lug around the woods. I also have a relative who is a historic/antique gun collector, so I get to shoot some pretty cool guns from time to time.
I do love target shooting my Browning .30.06 though. It is insanely accurate.
Verily poor as we are in democracy, how can we give of it to the world? A democracy conceived in the military servitude of the masses, in their economic enslavement, and nurtured in their tears and blood, is not democracy at all
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were can i get me a cheap hand gun???
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